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There is no direct mention of God in the Constitution, except in the formation of the date used in the document: "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The Lord in this phrase is, of course, Christ. That is it. Religion is indirectly mentioned in the oath of office, where a person is permitted to swear or affirm, taking into account those religions where swearing was impermissible.
The religious affirmation isn't in the official oath. It's tacked on. You don't swear on the bible by law either in courts.
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And no religious test was allowed for any office in the United States,
At the time of writing, any federal office. It reiterates my point that the federal government of the United States was specifically secular.
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which is neither a direct nor indirect reference to God or Christ, but is notable nonetheless.
There is also mention of God in the pledge of allegiance.
Which wasn't there to begin with, and shouldn't be there now.
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Some evidence points to some of the forefathers being Protestant.
Many of our forefathers were devout Christians of one kind or another. The biggest founding fathers we know--Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Franklin, Hamilton and Madison--were notably not. They avoided religion in particular, and did their best to keep the government and religions separate--Jefferson's infamous Wall of Separation from his letters.
I can quote repeatedly their words and writing if you wish. I can cite case-law showing the government to promote secularism over "theocratism."
I am not lying when I state specifically that the government was founded on secular principles, and for good reason.
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And you are twisting words. You are now lying. It makes you look even more deceitful.
How am I lying? Do you deny that the government is secular by design? Do you deny that the most prominent founding fathers, the framers of the Constitution, were notably not devout Christians of any church? That Jefferson went as far as to remove the supernaturalism from the bible? Such a well educated man of that time saw through the bull****, without the amazing advances and knowledge we have today. The founding fathers were deists, barely Christian on their worst days. Nobody here claims their atheism, not is anyone here claiming that the nation is an atheist nation, unlike Christians claiming the nation is Christian. To be secular is not to be atheist. God-folk would be wise to understand the difference.
Assuming the title of this thread is not a troll, I have to say it is funny.
I find it funny that most people haven't figured out that the OP was sarcastic. He didn't actually mean that we should ban gay marriage because of tradition. Had people taken the time to watch the video in the first post they would have understood that the OP used the language he did to point out how absurd it is.
And founding fathers I'm sure knew about gay marriage and left out it out on purpose and not just for the sake of religion but because of other problems. Homosexuality will start feminizing the USA and make us look weak to other nations.
Don't worry. If you don't want to become a homosexual, I'm sure you never will become one as well as many millions of others.
So what? Do you ignore other state laws, just because they're "not recognized nationally" and/or you didn't vote on the matter? I'd like to see you try that with a police officer some time.
Is that what the other poster claimed? I don't think so, read again...
"It's not meant for only opposite genders. I'm in MA and people get married here, sexual orientation aside. We tend to stay married at greater rates as well."
Seems to me they're saying MARRIAGE works better in MA, not gay marriage specifically... hence the part where it says sexual orientation aside.
I don't think any particular news network/source "rules" - I only watch local news, and get the rest from a variety of online & print sources. Thinking and researching for oneself, what a concept!
You are entitled to your opinions and what you post.
I will leave it at that because the last time I replied to one of your posts, it went on and on and the thread grew by over 10 pages.
Many of our forefathers were devout Christians of one kind or another. The biggest founding fathers we know--Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Franklin, Hamilton and Madison--were notably not. They avoided religion in particular, and did their best to keep the government and religions separate--Jefferson's infamous Wall of Separation from his letters.
Here we go again - someone spouting off with dribble - misinformation - that is blatantly FALSE
Listen to Jefferson's own words:
The organization cites Thomas Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists as evidence that the Founding Fathers intended to keep religion out of government. But they don’t mention the opening prayer of the very first Continental Congress in 1774.
That includes, in part:
“O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle! Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior. Amen.”
Amen & Amen! Let the truth ring forth in all of God's Glory!!
Good thing society strives to separate its laws from religious dogma.
So, your definition of marriage has zero impact on the legal applications of marriage.
Pretty much everything which is illegal in the US (stealing, murdering, perjury, fraud, etc) is sin in the Bible. If society strives to separate laws from religious dogma, it isn't being particularly effective at doing so.
The religious affirmation isn't in the official oath. It's tacked on. You don't swear on the bible by law either in courts.
Tacked on? You just don't want to admit you are wrong.
At the time of writing, any federal office. It reiterates my point that the federal government of the United States was specifically secular.
Which wasn't there to begin with, and shouldn't be there now. HA HA. he Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898). The original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8 issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's arrival in the Americas. The event was conceived and promoted by James B. Upham, a marketer for the magazine, as a campaign to instill the idea of American nationalism by selling flags to public schools and magazines to students.[3][4][5][6
The Congress passed one with God in it.
Many of our forefathers were devout Christians of one kind or another. The biggest founding fathers we know--Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Franklin, Hamilton and Madison--were notably not. They avoided religion in particular, and did their best to keep the government and religions separate--Jefferson's infamous Wall of Separation from his letters.
I am not lying when I state specifically that the government was founded on secular principles, and for good reason.
How am I lying? Do you deny that the government is secular by design? Do you deny that the most prominent founding fathers, the framers of the Constitution, were notably not devout Christians of any church? That Jefferson went as far as to remove the supernaturalism from the bible? Such a well educated man of that time saw through the bull****, without the amazing advances and knowledge we have today. The founding fathers were deists, barely Christian on their worst days. Nobody here claims their atheism, not is anyone here claiming that the nation is an atheist nation, unlike Christians claiming the nation is Christian. To be secular is not to be atheist. God-folk would be wise to understand the difference.
You are denying clear facts I have stated. The trend back then was to be Protestant. The first pilgrims, people first here, were Protestants running away endangerment of the Catholic church. You can't accept your wrong. Your angry tone shows your fear.
Gay Marriage works as well as trying to drive an automobile backwards to work!
As usual you are pulling stuff out of your anal passage.....Statistics say that it works better than straight marriage does here in Canada....The interesting thing is that since 2005 when same sex marriage became legal across Canada almost all controversy about it has died...The bigots have finally shut their pie holes.
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