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Out of curiosity, how do you maintain close family ties with people who are dead (or never existed in the first place)? And how can they help you when you need it if they are not alive?
Well there a couple of thing wrong with this line of thinking to me. What about a family of 3 or 4? Why 6? Minimum wage in some places can't feed and clothe one adult. And you are assuming those children weren't born during better times for the family. What if they fell on hard times? What if there was divorce or someone was widowed? Even if they weren't... what does that mean? If you have a kid when you are a teenager, you deserve to live a life of poverty and barely be able to eat? If we say yes, because they did it to themselves.. well the kid didn't do anything. What is the justification for starving children who have nothing to do with the circumstances under which they were born? And if we pride ourselves on being this society where people can start from humble beginning and still make it, do we really want so many children starting so far into the hole? I get not everyone can have the same things, but should some people have NOTHING, not even food and a decent education?
The thing is, not matter what the system, some people will find a way to cheat it. Some people don't pay their fair share of taxes. Should we not have taxes? Some people don't obey traffic laws. Should be get rid of them? Some people don't pay back student loans. Should we do away with the program altogether? No. Some people will have more kids than they can afford. Should we not help anyone and/or let kids starve? To me that is not really an option.
People don't starve here and I think we all know that. There are plenty of programs in place to keep people fed, so I don't think there is a child starving issue. And I am for having safety nets, not or rewarding a lifetime of bad decisions. What programs we have need to be changed because most of the people getting handouts are abusing the system. If you don't believe me then do something to get to know some poor people. Volunteer, whatever, it will be an eye opener.
Some people are paying more than their fair share in taxes. How is it fair that someone is taxed half of their income? Just because they make more you think this is fair? And think they don't pay enough when they are supporting the poor and these programs already? Tell me, what percentage is too much? 70%? 80%? Enough to even it out so we are all poor? Fair would be everyone paying the same percentage of their income and getting rid of all the deductions and loopholes and rules about all that. The rich would still pay more than everyone else, but it would be fair.
Still -- the system can support a limited number of food stamp recipients indefinitely but those who pretend to care so much about the poor should be concerned at the steep rise in numbers of those on poverty programs.
There will come a point where the number of welfare recipients is simply too high -- as it stands now, anyone from any country can simply come here by crossing the border illegally or come on a visa and stay and once they give birth, they can jump right onto the welfare handouts. There is a limit to how many people the system can support.
At some point either the newcomers get cut, or citizens get cut or everyone gets cut. We can support only some people on these programs, there is no way the fast rising numbers on these programs can be viewed as a good thing or workable.
Out of curiosity, how do you maintain close family ties with people who are dead (or never existed in the first place)? And how can they help you when you need it if they are not alive?
everyones family is dead? How they would help you is by leaving you thier property after they pass. But then again the dems would have the government rack in on your windfall.
The reality is too many people dont even try to plan for a rainy day or for their future. I have talked to many elderly who complain about ss and how it isnt enough. When I ask them how they saved for retirement they say thats what ss was for. Short sighted and foolish. Only a fool would depend on the fed.
by the way these same seniors who complain the most just can't say no to lottery tickets.
everyones family is dead? How they would help you is by leaving you thier property after they pass. But then again the dems would have the government rack in on your windfall.
The reality is too many people dont even try to plan for a rainy day or for their future. I have talked to many elderly who complain about ss and how it isnt enough. When I ask them how they saved for retirement they say thats what ss was for. Short sighted and foolish. Only a fool would depend on the fed.
by the way these same seniors who complain the most just can't say no to lottery tickets.
Lucky? or smart in life choices and decision making?
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Originally Posted by Chromekitty
Life choices and decision making have nothing to do with having family to fall back on.
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Originally Posted by tinman01
I beg to differ.
Close family ties are a result of good life choices and decision making. Just as having friends that you can rely on is a result of the same.
Luck would be having wealthy family that doesnt care how ruthless or selfish you have been to them.
The poster said her husband could support her. Well, if she's like ~50% of all married women, she'll get divorced. There will be no hubby to provide for her. And then she made this good decision to be born into this huge family, who may all be busy raising their own kids and not able to help when the time comes.
The number of people who get FOOD STAMPS is at an all time high. It is busting our budget. But on the other hand I don't want kids to starve. But at what income should the working poor be allowed to qualify for Food Stamps?
I was talking to some relatives who are getting Food Stamps for the first time recently. I asked them what happened to them recently that forced them to apply for Food Stamps in 2011 for the first time. Their answer: "Nothing, the government loosed eligibility requirements so people at our income level qualified." So I looked into it and found out that while the recession and unemployment and falling wages are a part of the rapid increase in Food Stamps; a even larger reason for the increase in Food Stamp use is the government has raised the income a family can make and still be eligible. Is this a good idea?
The conversation about Food Stamps with our relatives ended when their son wanted to talk about their upcoming trip to California and a week they will spend at the Disneyland Hotel!
I found out from an acquaintance in California that Taco Bell accepts food stamps. WTH? Interesting that the family gets food stamps and can take a vacation to Disneyland.
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