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Old 01-24-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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This thread shows how the North really needs to move past the civil war.

Time to move on folks
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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So, you're suggesting that the idea ingrained within the US Constitution of electoral college and an attempt to acquire balance between the majority and the minority has been a failure.

PS. Per the Cornerstone Speech, Southerners seem to be in love with the British and their Parliamentary System than with the US Constitution.

State Constitutions, were nullified over trade agreement the southern states had with England. Cotton & Tobacco was king!
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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We've gone way off topic, but I think Paul is an apologist for racism.
You should really study history sometime. Slavery, as bad as it was, was NOT the reason the Civil War happened
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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State Constitutions, were nullified over trade agreement the southern states had with England. Cotton & Tobacco was king!
1- Do you believe the US Constitution was a failure? (You didn't answer this question, asked earlier)
2- What does the US Constitution say about states' rights to alliance with foreign nations?
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:34 AM
 
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Why do Southerners insist on fighting the Civil War over and over again? The South lost, slavery was immoral, and God was not on their side...its time to move on.
It was some Northern Democrat clown who started this thread... who is still fighting the Civil War?
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:37 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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1- Do you believe the US Constitution was a failure? (You didn't answer this question, asked earlier)
2- What does the US Constitution say about states' rights to alliance with foreign nations?


Southerners believed that state laws carried more weight than Federal laws, and they should abide by the state regulations first.
Trade is not an alliance.

Remember the Civil war started in 1861, not 1863.
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Southerners believed that state laws carried more weight than Federal laws, and they should abide by the state regulations first.
Trade is not an alliance.

Remember the Civil war started in 1861, not 1863.
They still do, and continue to be wrong. The civil war's foundation was laid, in words, in 1852 BTW, although, the issue itself (slave-trade and federal control) was present since (at least) the abolition of Articles of Confederation and adoption of US Constitution. But, here are the questions again:

1- Do you believe the US Constitution was a failure? (You didn't answer this question, asked earlier, now for the third time)
2- What does the US Constitution say about states' rights to alliance with foreign nations?
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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They still do, and continue to be wrong. The civil war's foundation was laid, in words, in 1852 BTW, although, the issue itself (slave-trade and federal control) was present since (at least) the abolition of Articles of Confederation and adoption of US Constitution. But, here are the questions again:

1- Do you believe the US Constitution was a failure? (You didn't answer this question, asked earlier, now for the third time)
2- What does the US Constitution say about states' rights to alliance with foreign nations?

No the Us Constitution was not a failure. The failure was to abide by the Constitution and States rights.

There was no alliance, before the Civil War began. That is moot. Foreign nations became opportunist after the war began, on both sides of the line.

What is Reconstitution accomplish and how was it done?
Was that Constitutional?
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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No the Us Constitution was not a failure. The failure was to abide by the Constitution and States rights.
If the US Constitution wasn't deemed a failure, why the whine about greater population dictating the political course? Your response contradicts your premise based on population growth. Are there no measures in the US Constitution to prevent that issue?

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There was no alliance, before the Civil War began. That is moot. Foreign nations became opportunist after the war began, on both sides of the line.
So, why did you bring up the desire of southerners and their alliance with England? Was it after the fact, or one of the reasons behind their support for Civil War?

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What is Reconstitution accomplish and how was it done?
Was that Constitutional?
Example please. We will apply it to the US Constitution... shouldn't be difficult for someone who claims to be a "constitutionalist" against someone merely a progressive.
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:18 AM
 
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You should really study history sometime. Slavery, as bad as it was, was NOT the reason the Civil War happened
The confederacy attacking the US military was one of the reasons. most peole would agree , if you attack the military it's an act of war.
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