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Old 01-25-2012, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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About $3.20 , As far as subsidizeing small market airports, thats another waste of money.
I dont have a problem paying a fuel tax, just wish it went where it was supposed to go.
$3.20? That is about the price of a gallon of regular grade gasoline right now. At 25 mpg, it would take about 210 miles before you pay your "fair share" ($3.20) for using a public highway. So, how did you figure out that to be the cost? How much profits have public highways turned in? Do we have numbers? Or, we never cared for it?
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Government spending is not investment. But hey don't stop belivin.

If it were an idea with merit,a private sector entity would take it on (then, it might be called an investment)
... Hoover Dam. Nationwide highway systems. Transcontinental train lines. Infrastructure for this magic connection that let's you post absurdity for the world to see. Rigs and ships when the oil industry first started. All of these were partially or wholly subsidized, which is the same as an investment, except that gov't is asking for a cut of the profits afterwards.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:30 AM
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... Hoover Dam. Nationwide highway systems. Transcontinental train lines. Infrastructure for this magic connection that let's you post absurdity for the world to see. Rigs and ships when the oil industry first started. All of these were partially or wholly subsidized, which is the same as an investment, except that gov't is asking for a cut of the profits afterwards.

Are you actually claiming that those advances owe themselves to government and not individuals? Or that such things would not exist without state intervention?

Government schooling at its worst
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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No, we can't invest in anything for the future. What we must do is make sure that people like Willard Romney can utilize tax havens, loopholes and and an unfair tax code to enhance his personal wealth while creating NO jobs. We must gut any and all programs that support future growth. We can't afford them while propping up millionaires. Greed baby, as American as apple pie..
What the hell does Mitt Romney have to do with Cali and high speed rail boondoggle? At least he pays taxes. I can't say that for the cronies Obama appoints. The "loopholes" you speak of are actually the LAW. So now he gets jumped by lefties for following the law? LOL. You people are so lost it's beyond reason anymore.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Are you actually claiming that those advances owe themselves to government and not individuals? Or that such things would not exist without state intervention?

Government schooling at its worst
Government is a means for people to be able to do things they couldn't as an individual. That was the fundamental premise of a government. Apparently, your school skipped, if not denounced, that idea.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:34 AM
 
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Since the US is such a car-oriented country, I wonder if HSR is worth the money and effort. HSR has been around for quite some time now, but even when the US still had money, Americans did not invest in HSR, unlike China, which instead of planning for years and decades simply builds that infrastructure with great enthusiasm, maybe to prevent the American, car-oriented alternative while it still can.
Yeah they built the three gorges dam with great enthusiasm too. Well except for the hundreds of thousands who had to relocate and watch their lives and towns flooded in the wake. Like I said if you love China so much move there don't bring it here.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:35 AM
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Government is a means for people to be able to do things they couldn't as an individual. That was the fundamental premise of a government. Apparently, your school skipped, if not denounced, that idea.
So you believe individuals can't cooperate without the force of government?
Gotcha.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Yeah they built the three gorges dam with great enthusiasm too. Well except for the hundreds of thousands who had to relocate and watch their lives and towns flooded in the wake. Like I said if you love China so much move there don't bring it here.
China sounds more in-line with the conservative utopia than a progressive one. Take environmental concerns over profitability, for example.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:37 AM
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China sounds more in-line with the conservative utopia than a progressive one. Take environmental concerns over profitability, for example.
What is Chinas take on personal property rights?
How much land will be taken by eminant domain here in the US to construct the high speed rail line?
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:39 AM
 
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... Hoover Dam. Nationwide highway systems. Transcontinental train lines. Infrastructure for this magic connection that let's you post absurdity for the world to see. Rigs and ships when the oil industry first started. All of these were partially or wholly subsidized, which is the same as an investment, except that gov't is asking for a cut of the profits afterwards.
Your forgetting something very important. The government doesn't have any money to invest. None, zippo, nada. At the rate we're going we'll hit the 20 trillion mark in a couple years. What do folks propose to fix the problem??? Why of course spend even MORE money on something we don't need right now. And that is how we reduce the debt. How do people end up thinking like this? Look at the cost spiraling out of control with this 800 mile trek in California in just three years and they've laid 12 miles of track. This is insanity. Are people beyond common sense anymore? All I hear is well China did it so we should too. Who gives a crap what China, France, Germany do?? I guess lefties do. I say **** on em all. This is America not China...........yet. If you folks get your way though.............
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