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Old 01-26-2012, 12:03 PM
 
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Has ANY type of marriage been ruled a 'civil right' in the constitution?
Does it specifically call out marriage as a right?
Yes.
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:16 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


Seems pretty clear to me.
It doesn't exclude gay people (or even ugly people).
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


Seems pretty clear to me.
It doesn't exclude gay people (or even ugly people).
Your interpretation of the law doesn't matter
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:37 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Your interpretation of the law doesn't matter
No, I suppose not.

Neither does yours.

If this comes to a referendum in New Jersey I will be happy to vote FOR equal rights for ALL citizens of New Jersey.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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No, I suppose not.

Neither does yours.

If this comes to a referendum in New Jersey I will be happy to vote FOR equal rights for ALL citizens of New Jersey.
I am not interpreting the law in my posts only stating current facts of the law.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:37 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I am not interpreting the law in my posts only stating current facts of the law.
I think Christie is really FOR equal rights for everyone in New Jersey, he just doesn't want to look as if he's for gay marriage. Having a referendum effectively takes the choice out of his hands; I'm sure he knows it will be approved by the citizenry; no 'dirty' hands for him.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I am not interpreting the law in my posts only stating current facts of the law.
If it is a law, then you obviously never speak against it... it is all good and perfect. Right? But then, you spoke of the Constitution defining marriage as a right... which even you can't find anymore (not even in your own version of it). You then claim about states' rights... well, technically states are allowed to create their own laws, as long as they don't step on federal laws.

Are there states that define marriage as a right?
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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I think Christie is really FOR equal rights for everyone in New Jersey, he just doesn't want to look as if he's for gay marriage. Having a referendum effectively takes the choice out of his hands; I'm sure he knows it will be approved by the citizenry; no 'dirty' hands for him.

You could be correct in your assessment. Classic political two step.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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If it is a law, then you obviously never speak against it... it is all good and perfect. Right? But then, you spoke of the Constitution defining marriage as a right... which even you can't find anymore (not even in your own version of it). You then claim about states' rights... well, technically states are allowed to create their own laws, as long as they don't step on federal laws.

Are there states that define marriage as a right?
Why do you continue to throw out the informal fallacies?

Nothing that I have stated is incorrect.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Why do you continue to throw out the informal fallacies?

Nothing that I have stated is incorrect.
You've refused to clarify your statement. May be you should.
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