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Old 01-27-2012, 01:24 PM
 
Location: SWUS
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It should be remembered that if an alleged rapist is found "not guilty" in a court, it only means that a case was not proven to the satisfaction of a particular judge or a particular jury.

It does not prove that the allegation of the victim/accuser was false.
Because the burden of providing proof generally falls on the accuser/ prosecution. I don't want to downplay the seriousness of rape, but there have been a fair few times where someone has been accused of rape, declared not guilty, but still had their lives ruined because of it.
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Old 01-27-2012, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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It should be remembered that if an alleged rapist is found "not guilty" in a court, it only means that a case was not proven to the satisfaction of a particular judge or a particular jury.

It does not prove that the allegation of the victim/accuser was false.
Coversely, if a person takes a plea agreement, and pleads guilty to X, it doesn't mean they ACTUALLY did it, it just means they feel that won't get a decent fair trial, and too often they're right. Especially with rape/sex abuse allegations where no physical evidence is needed.
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Old 01-27-2012, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Because the burden of providing proof generally falls on the accuser/ prosecution. I don't want to downplay the seriousness of rape, but there have been a fair few times where someone has been accused of rape, declared not guilty, but still had their lives ruined because of it.
Maybe you could post some links. It's my experience that the public has a fairly short attention span, and also a short memory. If you are declared not guilty, you do not have to answer "yes" to the question, "have you ever been convicted of a crime" that appears on job apps, apps for professional licenses, etc.
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Old 01-27-2012, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Beware if the modern term of sexual assualt is used....Rape is a horrifically agressive action - and should not be deminished in it,s evil....Just like the coach at kent state...who turned a blind eye to the destruction of a child....to hell with these protectors of deviant behavior....RAPE is not some sort of casual assault...It is the destroying of ones future - of their life - It is not some thing that a person will get over... those that do it...are vampires of the worst kind.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:12 PM
 
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I agree, futhermore, the media shouldn't be able to use the term 'vcitim" when being used in alongside the accused.
It should be the 'accuser", and "the accused"
People so often forget that there are often family members (including kids) that are adversely affected, by these accusations, many of which turn out to be false.
I wouldn't call 2 to 3% 'many'.

This misperception that 'many' rape accusations are false, is another reason why so many women and girls don't come forward. The fear of not being believed.

This survey below was not particularly looking at rape or rape accusations but it does give an idea of how many women and girls are forced to have sex by a male against their will (aka rape). I wonder how many were reported?

From the National Survey of Family Growth published on the CDC website:

Forced intercourse

Percent of women 18-44 years of age ever forced by a male to have sexual intercourse at some time in their lives:

2002: 22.6%

(Based on the question: "Have you ever been forced by a male to have vaginal intercourse against your will?")


Percent of women 18-44 years of age who ever had sexual intercourse, whose first intercourse was not voluntary:

2002: 8.3%

(Based on the question: "Would you say that this first vaginal intercourse was voluntary or not voluntary, that is, did you choose to have sex of your own free will or not?"

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Old 01-27-2012, 11:34 PM
 
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Because the burden of providing proof generally falls on the accuser/ prosecution. I don't want to downplay the seriousness of rape, but there have been a fair few times where someone has been accused of rape, declared not guilty, but still had their lives ruined because of it.
I'd say there were a 'fair few times' where someone who WAS guilty of rape got off scott free and their victim's life was doubly ruined. First by being raped, then by not be able to prove it and being accused of making a false claim.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:37 PM
 
Location: southern california
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its true men get accused of stuff they did not do.
but in this case too many women dont come forward bek the rights of the accused are so vigilantly defended. not good. for every rape conviction there are dozens that never even get charged with the crime. my hope is that DNA testing will help with this area of law enforcement and that women will help law enforcement when it happens not 3 years after.
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:15 AM
 
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Lets get the BS out of the way. Rape is a horrific crime, with a terrible legacy for the victim, and real rapists should be castrated or executed. Now that that's out of the way, lets move on to the topic...

In rape cases, the accuser/victim's name is (typically) kept out of the media all together. Fine, she (or he for that matter) should have some degree of privacy over such a personal matter. Why the one sided treatment? The accusation of rape is devestating, to the person, to their family, to their employement. Yet in many cases the accused is "tried by society" and the media long before the case comes to trial. There is a far greater stigma to being a rapist than a rape victim, yet we ignore any impact on that person. What happened to "innocent till proven guilty"? Why are un-tried people dragged through the mud? Why don't we protect their identity until after they are convicted?

After the trial, and after a rapist is found guilty, fine. Publish all the relevant info. They deserve any scorn or shunning they get. But until then, they are innocent.

The only thing more contemptable than a rapist is the person that would use a false accusation of rape to destroy another person's life.
Why are you only concerned about rapists????
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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I wouldn't call 2 to 3% 'many'.

This misperception that 'many' rape accusations are false, is another reason why so many women and girls don't come forward. The fear of not being believed.

This survey below was not particularly looking at rape or rape accusations but it does give an idea of how many women and girls are forced to have sex by a male against their will (aka rape). I wonder how many were reported?

From the National Survey of Family Growth published on the CDC website:

Forced intercourse

Percent of women 18-44 years of age ever forced by a male to have sexual intercourse at some time in their lives:

2002: 22.6%

(Based on the question: "Have you ever been forced by a male to have vaginal intercourse against your will?")


Percent of women 18-44 years of age who ever had sexual intercourse, whose first intercourse was not voluntary:

2002: 8.3%

(Based on the question: "Would you say that this first vaginal intercourse was voluntary or not voluntary, that is, did you choose to have sex of your own free will or not?"
I've seen studies that say up to 25% are false accusations..besides which, if you are the one who is falsely accused or the loved one of one falsely accused, ONE is TOO MANY.
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:45 AM
 
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Lets get the BS out of the way. Rape is a horrific crime, with a terrible legacy for the victim, and real rapists should be castrated or executed. Now that that's out of the way, lets move on to the topic...

In rape cases, the accuser/victim's name is (typically) kept out of the media all together. Fine, she (or he for that matter) should have some degree of privacy over such a personal matter. Why the one sided treatment? The accusation of rape is devestating, to the person, to their family, to their employement. Yet in many cases the accused is "tried by society" and the media long before the case comes to trial. There is a far greater stigma to being a rapist than a rape victim, yet we ignore any impact on that person. What happened to "innocent till proven guilty"? Why are un-tried people dragged through the mud? Why don't we protect their identity until after they are convicted?

After the trial, and after a rapist is found guilty, fine. Publish all the relevant info. They deserve any scorn or shunning they get. But until then, they are innocent.

The only thing more contemptable than a rapist is the person that would use a false accusation of rape to destroy another person's life.
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I've seen studies that say up to 25% are false accusations..besides which, if you are the one who is falsely accused or the loved one of one falsely accused, ONE is TOO MANY.
Again, WHY only people accused of rape....why aren't people accused of other crimes of concern to you?
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