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Old 01-30-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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With all due respect, there is nothing yet to respond to until the court actions have been completed and findings released.
You are saying that it's "possible" that Obama was born outside the United States. In which case his mother and grandparents embarked on a conspiracy to put forward that he was born in Honolulu. Please explain why they would have embarked on a conspiracy. It's your position, defend it.

 
Old 01-30-2012, 11:05 AM
 
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The Federal Government has a long history of knowing and acting otherwise:Interpretation 324.2 (http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-45104/0-0-0-48602.html - broken link)

That's just one. There's more.
(http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-45104/0-0-0-48602.html - broken link)
The federal government has NO history of distinguishing between native-born and natural-born citizenship. There is no application where such a distinction is required.
 
Old 01-30-2012, 11:10 AM
 
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Man the birthers are really pissed off as they watch yet another case go down
the drain aren't they?!!

They can't even keep a thread on topic, running off in all directions.....BWAHAHAHA!
 
Old 01-30-2012, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
You are saying that it's "possible" that Obama was born outside the United States. In which case his mother and grandparents embarked on a conspiracy to put forward that he was born in Honolulu. Please explain why they would have embarked on a conspiracy. It's your position, defend it.
Simple. If it was true, the logical explanation would be to get U.S. citizenship and all the benefits of it. It wouldn't have been because the family conspired because the thought that someday he would be president. That is proposterous to think that. No, if he was indeed born elsewhere, it would have been best to say he was born in Hawaii in order to solidify him becoming a citizen.
 
Old 01-30-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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All unofficial musings.
So... you're calling Leo Donofrio a liar too?

 
Old 01-30-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So it must be really galling to have one's own views lose out to those of such a person, huh?
What's surprising is that anyone considers Foggy any kind of authority.

There's plenty of evidence that Obama is not a natural born citizen. Some of it has been posted here on c-d, but there's more that hasn't been publicly disclosed.

Why not have a court with the appropriate jurisdiction to actually listen to and take seriously the very valid objections to Obama's eligibility, hear and look at any and all evidence, including historical primary sources and the Federal Government's own publications, and decide once and for all if those born subject to a foreign nation's law and owing allegiance to a foreign sovereign are considered natural born citizens for Constitutional purposes?

If you all are so sure Obama is Constitutionally eligible, you have nothing to fear in a court's extensive examination of the issue. So, why all the balking?
 
Old 01-30-2012, 11:17 AM
 
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You are saying that it's "possible" that Obama was born outside the United States.
That makes no sense. Some of the cases stipulated Obama's birth in Hawaii.
 
Old 01-30-2012, 11:17 AM
 
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Simple. If it was true, the logical explanation would be to get U.S. citizenship and all the benefits of it.
If the Stanley had given birth outside the US, by law, she would simply just apply to have him naturalized. Its a near automatic granting of citizenship to children born to or adopted by US Citizens.

A simple application would have been filled out. That's it. No need to declare him born In Hawaii, since being naturalized would have afforded him all the benefits of US Citizenship.

This is where your convoluted theory falls apart.
 
Old 01-30-2012, 11:19 AM
 
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The federal government has NO history of distinguishing between native-born and natural-born citizenship.
Incorrect. I already posted just one example in which the Federal Government considered them different citizenship statuses. There's more. You can find them if you look...
 
Old 01-30-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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<snip>If you all are so sure Obama is Constitutionally eligible, you have nothing to fear in a court's extensive examination of the issue. So, why all the balking?
Bring it on, you're right we have nothing to fear!
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