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Old 01-29-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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This is why the rhetoric has changed to "global climate change". Warming doesn't apply this week. Back in the early 70's the mantra was "global cooling". Only a liberal can have it both ways.
Right you are. When the warming failed to materialize, "global warming" was renamed "climate change", which could then encompass every weather event from the "norm". Floods, drought, hurricane, tornado, fire, feast, famine, ice, melting ice, too much ice could also be included.

In retrospect, how DUMB was that for the AGWcultist to do?
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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16 scientists from all of those around the world huh?

Lets get what they said straight, first of all, ok?

Most of the distinguished scientists on the list said that their problem is with the APS saying that drastic action must be taken to curb global warming.

There is currently 0 scientific evidence that if humans cut all carbon emissions tomorrow, that it would stop, roll back, or change global warming. The truth is, we just don't know.

But that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Ice levels are at lower levels in many regions of the world then ever before. A one year event doesn't mean anything really, but Michigan without snow on the ground in January is quite weird.

Global warming has been said all along to cause one thing by those that know what it does, climate swings. Climate changes from one extreme to another. Record snow one year followed by a year with no snow pack in Michigan?

Look, I'm not saying that global warming may not have been over hyped, it may very well have been. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to limit human intervention into the environment of the Earth.

One thing that conservatives know, humans getting involved in complex systems is bad. The environment is a complex system. The more we put into it, and the more we interfere with it, the worse off it gets. Surely we don't think that pumping emissions into the atmosphere is a good thing.
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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You're right. We don't know, but what we do know is that CO2 is a necessary ingrediant for plant life. Perhaps there are other ingrediants in fossil fuel burning that are harmful to the environment, but we still don't have the answers. Until we do have the answers, any change we make could just as likely do more harm than good. Electric cars? How do we dispose of the batteries without impacting the environment? The same arguement can be made for any form of power. We simply don't know.
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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You're right. We don't know, but what we do know is that CO2 is a necessary ingrediant for plant life. Perhaps there are other ingrediants in fossil fuel burning that are harmful to the environment, but we still don't have the answers. Until we do have the answers, any change we make could just as likely do more harm than good. Electric cars? How do we dispose of the batteries without impacting the environment? The same arguement can be made for any form of power. We simply don't know.
You do know that you can die from water or oxygen poisoning, right?

To much of anything, is bad. Thats the problem with CO2 emissions. We have put more CO2 into the atmosphere then would naturally have occurred without human intervention.

Should we destroy our way of life on a theory that cutting those emissions will end global warming? No. Should we do everything we can within reason to limit human impact on the environment? Yep.
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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You do know that you can die from water or oxygen poisoning, right?

To much of anything, is bad. Thats the problem with CO2 emissions. We have put more CO2 into the atmosphere then would naturally have occurred without human intervention.

Should we destroy our way of life on a theory that cutting those emissions will end global warming? No. Should we do everything we can within reason to limit human impact on the environment? Yep.
And what specifically is impacting the environment negatively?
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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16 scientists from all of those around the world huh?
My gosh, haven't you been paying attention. Of course it's not just 16.

Global Warming Petition Project

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To much of anything, is bad. Thats the problem with CO2 emissions. We have put more CO2 into the atmosphere then would naturally have occurred without human intervention.
Absolute NONSENSE. Co2 has been much higher in the past. Co2 is a MINUTE trace gas that makes up approx .038% of the atmosphere. WOW!

Now, HOW to explain the "high" levels of Co2 over the last 15 years.....WITHOUT any warming occurring??

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Duh! Oceans Drive Climate (Not CO2), Says New Nature Study
http://www.ifm-geomar.de/index.php?id=537&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=739&tx_ttnews[backPid]=551&cHash=0b405494ed

There are SO MANY factors at play, yet the AGWcultists pick one that just so happens to fit nicely into their big evil oil agenda.

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Old 01-29-2012, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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And what specifically is impacting the environment negatively?
Worst Pollution Problems in the World - The Daily Beast

Top 10 Vehicles That Cause the Most Pollution : ROAD & TRAVEL Magazine

Lots of pollutants in everything we emit.

I'm saying that we should aim for 0 human impact on the environment of the Earth. Thats not a realistic goal, but its what we should aim for.
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Worst Pollution Problems in the World - The Daily Beast

Top 10 Vehicles That Cause the Most Pollution : ROAD & TRAVEL Magazine

Lots of pollutants in everything we emit.

I'm saying that we should aim for 0 human impact on the environment of the Earth. Thats not a realistic goal, but its what we should aim for.
Nothing at all wrong with cutting down on pollution, with conservation and sustainability.

In fact, most legitimate "greens" are now trying to focus on those various issues since the AGWcultists have HIJACKED the movement and dealt a serious blow to their credibility.

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/01/dr-...skeptics-case/

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/guest...llite-ipcc.gif

As recently reported by Gallup, climate change comes in DEAD LAST on the list of priorities.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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So do you have anything to back up your statement about the tornadoes being uncharacteristic?
Yeah. A whole slew of folks from weather reporting indicating the tornadoes we've been experiencing are uncharacteristic.

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According to the National Weather Service, the average number of U.S. tornadoes touching down by this time of the year [April] is 448. In 2011, the weather service has registered 877 twisters.
Source (http://www.newspressnow.com/localnews/27733686/detail.html - broken link)
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Old 01-29-2012, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Yeah. A whole slew of folks from weather reporting indicating the tornadoes we've been experiencing are uncharacteristic.

Source (http://www.newspressnow.com/localnews/27733686/detail.html - broken link)
How about all those devastating hurricanes we were supposed to have 4-5 years ago? All those catastrophic hurricanes due to global warming?

Your tornado scare tactics just got flushed down the toilet;

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...s.html#history

Wow! Look at that!

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...es.html#deadly
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