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Old 02-02-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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I don't care about your charities and charitable contributions. I'm talking about taxes, societies and responsibilities. Let us stick with it.
Sorry but it's not your discussion to steer. It's my belief charity begins at home and if I want to be charitable to my fellow man the what and how much should be left up to me. I'm tired of seeing my taxes get thrown down a black hole when they could be put to better uses.


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There are no hard part in these discussion, just non-sense and BS kind. Excuses to push for keeping the demand for oil, and sticking the head in the sand when it comes to consequences of it. The hard point would be to agree with a "conservative" on the value of conservation of resources.
I've offered an alternative to subsidizing mass transit that would have a greater impact. Instead of throwing money away perhaps we should consider more practical use of it, you're just blinded by the glint of the fancy new train your politician gets to have their picture taken next too.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Sorry but it's not your discussion to steer. It's my belief charity begins at home and if I want to be charitable to my fellow man the what and how much should be left up to me. I'm tired of seeing my taxes get thrown down a black hole when they could be put to better uses.
Your charity is your premise, even if you want to use a pulpit and a microphone to announce it. We're talking about taxes, and responsibilities of people towards the society. These are not meant to be optional.

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I've offered an alternative to subsidizing mass transit that would have a greater impact. Instead of throwing money away perhaps we should consider more practical use of it, you're just blinded by the glint of the fancy new train your politician gets to have their picture taken next too.
There is always room for improvement, even in best of ideas. That is not the problem here. The problem is resistance to accepting a world and impact that is often much larger than commonly held perceptions. Its not about whether a person is blind or not, it is a handicap of mental abilities that prevents a person from recognizing that. Denial is also a part and parcel of such attitude.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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Your charity is your premise, even if you want to use a pulpit and a microphone to announce it. We're talking about taxes, and responsibilities of people towards the society. These are not meant to be optional.
I see it as forced charity.

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There is always room for improvement, even in best of ideas. That is not the problem here. The problem is resistance to accepting a world and impact that is often much larger than commonly held perceptions. Its not about whether a person is blind or not, it is a handicap of mental abilities that prevents a person from recognizing that. Denial is also a part and parcel of such attitude.
LOL, still no words addressing the suggestion we subsidize freight rail, is it too sensible? Getting long haul trucks off the roads should be priority number one if we're going subsidize any form of transit if you want to see substantial reductions in the use of oil and make our rods last longer but because it won't score any political points with people like you we'll never see anything like that.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I see it as forced charity.
That is your problem, and only helps prove my point made a while ago.

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LOL, still no words addressing the suggestion we subsidize freight rail, is it too sensible? Getting long haul trucks off the roads should be priority number one if we're going subsidize any form of transit if you want to see substantial reductions in the use of oil and make our rods last longer but because it won't score any political points with people like you we'll never see anything like that.
Political points are the problem. You can't think outside of politics and there is ample evidence of it in EVERY post that is more than a sentence long. You use it to cover up what is technically a denial that oil-based economy is a disaster waiting to happen. The problem isn't just oil based, but that we overuse oil. Like I said, the hard point for me would be to agree with a "conservative" on conservation of resources because they couldn't care less about it and consequently the point doesn't exist!

Subsidies are necessary against establishment. In political terms, that is how I thought tea party was presented... you can't rely on establishment to make things better.
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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Yes. I think it should be more than 6%. Gas prices are too low in this country. Higher gas prices will force car manufacturers to make more efficient vehicles.
We had those in the 80's. They were called 'econoboxes' and they were junk. What makes you think manufacturers will follow suit? They are not in the oil business. They don't get any more or less money based on the consumption of fuel.
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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We had those in the 80's. They were called 'econoboxes' and they were junk. What makes you think manufacturers will follow suit? They are not in the oil business. They don't get any more or less money based on the consumption of fuel.
Your attempt reminds me of arguments I came across and argued 10-12 years ago, about how uni-body "SUVs" are a fad, while "real" SUVs are ladder frame based. Well... welcome to the real world.

Not only have higher prices promoted production and sales of fuel efficient vehicles, but it has also taught people to be more responsible for those who choose to learn rather than to stay under a rock.
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