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No, it's against the public teacher's union that protects bad teachers and works against any kind of reform that might improve education levels in student populations.
How is this different than the cops union? Don't they protect their members. Ever heard of the thin blue line, code of silence?
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Even childless families see the huge percentage of their property taxes that goes toward public education and we all feel we are not getting our money's worth. We see American students dropping lower and lower in comparison to the rest of the world's students and we are concerned. .
Can't you say the same about the police department. Doesn't a big chunk go towards their budget? I always hear people complaining about crime rising and being out of control
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Soon bad teachers will be able to be fired the same way bad private sector workers are.
Do you believe that most public school teachers are bad or to blame for poorly perfomring schools/students? Do you believe that there are many bad teachers?
That is a dispute between a Democratic Governor and a Democratic County (mine is just so happens) on Who pays, not How Much is paid.
The dispute is who is to pay, state or county. Since the State has traditionally done so, but is now summarilly dropping it on the County's lap, well, that creates a problem.
Next time you google something and present it as evidence, try reading it.
That is a dispute between a Democratic Governor and a Democratic County (mine is just so happens) on Who pays, not How Much is paid. So much for your "right wing blathering morons" nonsense.
The dispute is who is to pay, state or county. Since the State has traditionally dones so, but is now summarilly dropping it on the County's lap, well, that creates a problem.
Next time you google something and present it as evidence, try reading it.
When did I say "right wing blathering morons" or even bring up Republicans or Democrats. I"m not falling for your strawman. You stated that you've never heard anyone link teachers pensions with the deficit. I gave you an example. I'm sorry if it doesn't suit your needs.
When did I say "right wing blathering morons" or even bring up Republicans or Democrats. I"m not falling for your strawman. You stated that you've never heard anyone link teachers pensions with the deficit. I gave you an example. I'm sorry if it doesn't suit your needs.
I've never quite understood this. For every complain about the cops union, which is extremely rare, I see 10 complaints about the teachers union. Why the selective outrage, they are both public unions and enjoy the same rights and priveledges.
So you have no problem with the concept of public unions, it's just teachers you dislike?
a little bit of both.
Cops and firefighters risk their lives, teachers do not.
Teachers seem to have an entitlement complex , based on an inflated sense of their worth to society... sort of like social workers. Cops and firefighters seem to be in the opposite situation, risking their lives for less than teachers make.
That said, i don't like public sector unions in general.
I have heard many people say teachers are overpaid.
Starting sal is around 30K, right?
Fix the bad parents as well as the bad teachers, how about that?
And I have heard many people say all kinds of things.
I have not conducted a survey of the thousands of school districts in the United States of America and their respective starting salaries. If you have and the average is 30K, could you provide some kind of evidence?
Teachers only work 9 months and have the summers free. My friends who are teachers get other jobs during the summer or rent houses in Europe. Of course, they started at more than 30K.
I do agree with you about the parents, but that is another subject.
When did I say "right wing blathering morons" or even bring up Republicans or Democrats. I"m not falling for your strawman. You stated that you've never heard anyone link teachers pensions with the deficit. I gave you an example. I'm sorry if it doesn't suit your needs.
Because I don't see cops or firefighters accused of molesting a child put in a "rubber room" and protected by the union and paid their salary for years and years until they retire and get their pension. Do firefighters do this? Perhaps you can point out some examples. You already know of one I pointed out on another thread and ran over here to cry about your teachers.
Why so much rage and anger towards teachers unions but hardly none towards cop or firefighters union?
It's not all that hard to figure out...
It's a numbers thing, is all.
Most adults have been to school. And just look around this CD forum. It's obvious that education just didn't work all that well for quite a few. So, naturally, they hate teachers.
Not nearly as many have been in jail or had their house burn down.
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Why so much rage and anger towards teachers unions but hardly none towards cop or firefighters union?
