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Old 02-03-2012, 08:33 PM
 
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It's called military keynesianism

It wasn't just spending. There was real product created and sold.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:39 PM
 
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Austerity is what we need to prevent a future financial disaster.
lol...wut? This is sarcasm, right?
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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The best thing about Austerity is that we all get to pay for the crimes, looting and mistakes of a few who will definitely not be eating Top Ramen and debating whether they should pay their power or water bill that month after austerity measures are implemented.

That is why people in Greece have been breaking a lot of stuff lately... but maybe Americans are too dumb to know when they've been had.
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:58 PM
 
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The best thing about Austerity is that we all get to pay for the crimes, looting and mistakes of a few who will definitely not be eating Top Ramen and debating whether they should pay their power or water bill that month after austerity measures are implemented.

That is why people in Greece have been breaking a lot of stuff lately... but maybe Americans are too dumb to know when they've been had.
Not quite. Nice job trying to conflate two separate issues but austerity is not about recovering from TARP. It's about recovering from 50 years of out of control entitlement spending.

And the Greeks are breaking stuff because they don't like being told they can't retire on a full government paid pension at age 53 anymore. It has nothing to do with bailing out rich people.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Newsflash: Austerity is the last thing a government should do during an economic slump.
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Keynesian economics is what got the US out of the Great Depression.

Austerity has never worked.
That would be indicative of one-dimensional linear thinking that fails to exercise foresight. And it erroneously assumes that all economic slumps have the exact same root causes (they do not).

It was WW II that got you out of the Great Depression, not spending.

You failed to read and understand the Medicare annual report which recommended an immediate tax increase of 3.7% or cutting Medicare spending by 17%.

You fail to understand that Congress has done neither of the things Medicare recommended.

Because you failed to read and understand the Medicare annual report, you failed to note that Medicare did not meet its revenue projections for 2011.

Because you failed to read and understand the Medicare annual report, you failed to note that Medicare will not meet its revenue projections for 2012, or for any of the years between 2012 and 2024, when Medicare believes the HI Trust Fund will be totally exhausted and Medicare will completely collapse with forced cuts.

You failed to consider the impact of a tax hike to 3.7% for Medicare on the economy.

You failed to consider the impact of a 17% reduction in Medicare on the economy. You failed to consider that many might shift disposable income to additional insurance coverage in light of Medicare spending cuts, and the impact that would have on the economy.

You failed to read and understand the Social Security annual report. You failed to understand that Social Security did not meet its revenue projections for 2011, will not meet its revenue projections for 2012, and will not meet any of its annual projects through 2020. You failed to consider that short-fall of at least $1.7 TRILLION will occur.

You failed to consider how eliminating the FICA tax holiday will impact the economy. Because you didn't read the Social Security report or understand it, you failed to consider the negative economic impacts of removing the cap. You also failed to consider the negative economic impacts caused by raising the FICA rate incrementally from 6.2% to 16.4%.

You also failed to consider that continued spending leads to greater National Debt, and that you can fund your programs if and only if investors on Earth are willing to purchase your debt. You failed to consider that the world economy can only absorb X amount of US Dollars and that once this amount is absorbed, Real Inflation begins to drive up wages and prices.

You ignored the ramifications of both your National Debt exceeding your GDP, and your public debt, which is fast approaching your GDP.

The events that led to the Great Depression are based on a set of facts that are dissimilar to the events that led to the recessions 1959-1961, 1978-1985, 2000 and 2008. And all of those recessions had different root causes.

Was the US plagued by Real Inflation running 15%-25% annually prior to the 2008 Recession? No, but that was the case of the Great Depression. Real Inflation set in starting in 1916 very slowly due to government spending during the Spanish-American War and the subsequent Panics in the first decade of the 1900s. Real Inflation increased dramatically in 1920 due to spending during the WW I period. That Real Inflation drove up housing prices which actually caused a collapse of the housing market in 1925. After the collapse of the housing market, Real Inflation started to subside and was nominal (<5%) by 1928. Did a tax increase cause the 2008 Recession? No, but it caused, in part, the Great Depression. Did restrictive import tariffs cause the 2008 Recession? No, but that also in part caused the Great Depression. Did rampant bank failures cause the 2008 Recession? No, but bank failures exasperated the Great Depression.

Unless you start running a balanced budget now, you are hopelessly and utterly screwed. Your reckless spending will induce Real Inflation about 2023, and it will peak a few years later around a 35%-45% annual rate for about 5-6 years before tailing off, assuming you can start sucking money out of the economy.

The party's over.

Watch what happens...


Mircea

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It wasn't just spending. There was real product created and sold.
Yes, many American families were ordering destroyers, frigates, corvettes and merchant vessels to collect and trade with their friends, or ply the Seven Seas in their own private naval fleet. Wasn't one of FDR's campaign promises "a fast-frigate in every backyard"?

Reality bites....

Mircea
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Old 02-04-2012, 01:51 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Newsflash: Austerity is the last thing a government should do during an economic slump.

Government should never cut spending. It's dangerous. Libertarians and conservatives only want to make matters worst.
You're kidding right? No one can really believe this crap

Tell ya what, try that with your personal life. Spend more than you make. Take out more credit cards than you can possibliy pay back. Get a mortgage that costs more than you earn. When responsible lenders quit lending you money, try a loan shark. See how that works out for ya.

Our government has been doing so for decades...and the results are about the same. We're freekin' broke, and the loansharks are ready to take over.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:28 AM
 
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The government is not like a business or household. It doesn't have to be fiscally responsible.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:32 AM
 
Location: 3rd Rock fts
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Default Austerity is beholden to NOBODY!

Austerity is America’s last stand—this is war! We’ve been hoodwinked into over-consuming to feed this monstrous Global Economy! Now it’s our duty to sacrifice/fix this grave mistake that we let happen!

We must get out of this hostage situation engineered by the financial Elitists. If we don’t, Gov’ts/Taxpayers will be paying for everything from now on.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:43 AM
 
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The other question could be asked: Why do liberals believe that in spite of extremely high national debt, our government should go on spending and spending like there is no tomorrow? Why do liberals think the USA is immune to the problems other nations with extremely high debt have run into?
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