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Old 02-08-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: North America
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No it doesn't, but if you admitted and/or realized it, it would weaken your argument, so you stick to the same wrong assumption.
I don't admit to being wrong when i am not. Anytime you rationalize denying other people equal status of any group of people you are supporting a level of bigotry no matter how you want to 'spin' your misguided views.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:11 AM
 
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Disagreeing with gay marriage does not mean that you hate homosexuals or believe them to be inferior.
What about somebody who disagrees with Jewish marriage (2 Jews getting married)? Does that not indicate a hatred for Jews and believing them to be inferior?

What about somebody who disagrees with Black marriage (2 Blacks getting married)? Does that not indicate a hatred for Blacks and believing them to be inferior?

What about somebody who disagrees with Midget marriage (2 Midgets getting married)? Does that not indicate a hatred for Midgets and believing them to be inferior?

What about somebody who disagrees with Irish marriage (2 Irish getting married)? Does that not indicate a hatred for the Irish and believing them to be inferior?
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:20 AM
 
Location: California
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Marriage is sex - sex consists of intercourse between a male and a female..any other type of activity that is not bound by this dictionary meaning is not sex..Same sex marriage contains no sex...it is actually a no-sex marriage...what people do with each other of the same sex is not sex...It's simple - So this is not the re-definition of marriage - It is the attempted re-definition of SEX - of what is male and what is female - In other words - I am pissed off when I am told by social engineers that I am not a man or a woman - I am a thing - I don't want to be an IT....I like being a man...cos that is what I am. You can not redefine reality and not have some people get pissed off.


As for couples of the same sex getting married..go for it - all it does is take away the importance of the institution...so less people will marry...cos you really can not take it seriously.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:22 AM
 
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Marriage is sex - sex consists of intercourse between a male and a female..any other type of activity that is not bound by this dictionary meaning is not sex..Same sex marriage contains no sex...it is actually a no-sex marriage...what people do with each other of the same sex is not sex...It's simple - So this is not the re-definition of marriage - It is the attempted re-definition of SEX - of what is male and what is female - In other words - I am pissed off when I am told by social engineers that I am not a man or a woman - I am a thing - I don't want to be an IT....I like being a man...cos that is what I am. You can not redefine reality and not have some people get pissed off.


As for couples of the same sex getting married..go for it - all it does is take away the importance of the institution...so less people will marry...cos you really can not take it seriously.
Who cares what the "definition" of sex is? Horrible, meaningless post.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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That's certainly your prerogative, I can't force you. Makes a "discussion board" a bit pointless, though. No?

You can leave your personal beliefs out of it, if you like. How does one, anyone, disagree with two people of the same sex being married? You're saying you don't think they should be allowed to be married, correct?
Yes, I disagree with gay marriage.No, I won't gnash my teeth in dismay if gay marriage is allowed. I realize that my personal (religious) beliefs should not infringe on the rights of others. That does not mean that I don't still hold my own beliefs.

I'm all for gays having equal rights. I am just of the opinion that this does not have to mean allowing gay marriage. I say fight for the rights and stop squabbling over what those rights are called.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:29 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Yes, I disagree with gay marriage.No, I won't gnash my teeth in dismay if gay marriage is allowed. I realize that my personal (religious) beliefs should not infringe on the rights of others. That does not mean that I don't still hold my own beliefs.

I'm all for gays having equal rights. I am just of the opinion that this does not have to mean allowing gay marriage. I say fight for the rights and stop squabbling over what those rights are called.
Fair enough, at least you're brave enough to admit that the reason you oppose same sex marriages is due to your religious beliefs. Thanks to the religious freedom we have in this country, religious ideology has no place influencing our laws. So, you agree that there is no solid legal reason to deny the ability to marry to homosexuals?


So, if all legal "marriage" was changed to "civil union" for everyone, gays and straights alike, you would be OK with that? Or do you want "marriage" for straights and "civil unions" for gays?

For what it's worth, I find that "disagree with" is usually a euphemism for "oppose", most people just think it sounds less harsh. Do you agree?
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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Do you feel that drawing a parallel between the two scenarios implies any support of one to the other?
No, but there have been some on these various "gay" threads who seem to show disdain for Blacks not agreeing with gay marriage. They bring up Prop 8 and the percentage of blacks who supported it. They say "now that Blacks have their rights, they feel superior enough to deny others". It's that attitude that I have a problem with.

It just would be REALLY nice if gays kept blacks out of their debates. The false kinship is offensive.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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What about somebody who disagrees with Jewish marriage (2 Jews getting married)? Does that not indicate a hatred for Jews and believing them to be inferior?

What about somebody who disagrees with Black marriage (2 Blacks getting married)? Does that not indicate a hatred for Blacks and believing them to be inferior?

What about somebody who disagrees with Midget marriage (2 Midgets getting married)? Does that not indicate a hatred for Midgets and believing them to be inferior?

What about somebody who disagrees with Irish marriage (2 Irish getting married)? Does that not indicate a hatred for the Irish and believing them to be inferior?
Not it doesn't. Not for any of your scenarios. Disagreeing does not equal hatred and/or any type of superiority. That's ridiculous.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Who cares what the "definition" of sex is? Horrible, meaningless post.
Meaningless post hugh? I beg to differ - it is all about meaning---what a word means..You can not run about willy nilly changing the meaning of the languge - what's next - substitute the word death - for the word "change" - eg - "I did not kill the man - I simply changed him" - It's Orwellian in scope - what's next - that hunger should be redefined as empty satisfaction? Or that poverty be called a fiscal in-convenience?



SEX by definition...whether it be within the plant family - animal family or human family - is rock solid.......Men are tucked out - (projectiles) - females are human beings that are tucked in (vessels).... to redefine sex is messing with physics...It's like saying that a concave cup can hold water if it is convex.. I am not against people who are of the same sex being together - that is not my business...I just resent having my real world transformed and altered into what that is not as real..that does not stick to the laws of physics...just like artifical and corrupt economies...You can not make something out of nothing and expect it to sustain - You can NOT remove the meaning of sex and expect sex to survive...or us in our present state-
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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9th Circus Court to rule on Calif Prop 8 - changing defn of marriage to include same-sex
No, they re-affirmed the position of the previous court ruling.

Under long-standing precedence, in order to discriminate on the basis of race, sex, religion, etc., one had to have a rational basis.

The court found that there was no rational basis for this law and therefore it violated the 14th Amendment.
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