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Old 02-09-2012, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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The ACLU has sued to protect the religious rights of Muslims. Scarf and Burqua laws, as well as prayer time. Schools have had to adapt their menus to protect the rights of Muslim Somali food workers.

Where are they now?
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:29 PM
 
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What annoys me most is that these people who don't want to provide contraceptives don't remember that birth control isn't always controlling fertility. Women use it for other health issues, too, and should have access to that.
Yes, but don't you see the plan? The soup kitchens have slowed down now that women have the right to choose, the right to vote, and the right to work for a living providing for herself rather than join the predator parade that is Republicanism. Come on ladies, don't you want get free lunch out of an alms bowl or legalized prostitution <er> marry a republican?

If enough legislation is created, republicans might seem attractive in some remote out of body experience way. Poor guy needs a pork chops around his neck because he smells so badly. Attract gold diggers for him. Throw him raw meat! Yeah!

Won't ever occur to anyone to teach this boy character & respect? Not even the <so called> religious???
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:34 PM
 
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What rights did women have when the Constitution was ratified? Women were generally denied basic rights; they could not vote, own property, keep their own earnings, or even custody of their children. Did the founding fathers forget women when they drafted the Constitution? When did women get their rights in the United States? What was the source of those rights? Is there not even now a proposal for an amendment to the Constitution to guarantee equal rights under the law regardless of sex?
You sir, are correct. So, since they came to America under false pretense of liberty and justice for all (not my half of the species) perhaps all of womankind needs a divorce from this civilization. A class action suit & reparations might school you in a lesson you refuse to learn at this late date. You have failed, and continue to fail, at the honor thy mother part of the 10 commandments. Sinners repent! The end is NEAR!
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:38 PM
 
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The ACLU has sued to protect the religious rights of Muslims. Scarf and Burqua laws, as well as prayer time. Schools have had to adapt their menus to protect the rights of Muslim Somali food workers.

Where are they now?
They are equally available to any and all religious groups. Can you think of some reason why everything is a sibling rivalry to you? That if one got, the other can't have? Curious place this land of the free, home of the brave. Home of the thieves and accountability dodgers is more like it! Religious, legal, business... corrupted by preserving misogyny. Love your pimps more than your kids? Goodbye.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I've read this thread as well as some comments on another forum. The issue is not that the church wants to restrict BC or abortion, but rather they don't want to be forced to pay for it for their members. Lots of Catholics use BC and I'm sure they have abortions. The church is simply saying they don't want to be forced to pay for it.

If the government passed a law forcing the Muslims to provide (and pay) for pork, imagine the outrage....
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:49 PM
 
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That's not true at all. It cost more because government started subsidizing it and started a one-size-fits-all policy.

Sure it is. And the people who wanted their state to control their healthcare could move to those states. Likewise with those who think the federal government is inept and can't even pass a budget.
Well, if you really were serious about states rights your ilk regularly trots out, you'd have to say states responsibility is job one. That means no more deporting your indigent population & emptying your prisons to blue state cities. That means if you go to Mass, NC should be billed for anything you cause Mass to realize economic drain about. Not a problem. Big fan of accountability here!

The bill for abortions legal in Mass performed on NC residents will be sent to NC. And the crime sprees also paid by NC for NC residents preying on Mass residents. I'm loving this!
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:54 PM
 
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Well this is a very simple one.

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
That means congress has a freaking 80 ft wall in front of them when it comes to things religious.

If Catholic anythings don't want to provide contraceptive based upon their religion then congress can't even see that because of that 80 ft wall.

So sorry for those who want to gradually work their way into religious institutions.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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I've read this thread as well as some comments on another forum. The issue is not that the church wants to restrict BC or abortion, but rather they don't want to be forced to pay for it for their members. Lots of Catholics use BC and I'm sure they have abortions. The church is simply saying they don't want to be forced to pay for it.

If the government passed a law forcing the Muslims to provide (and pay) for pork, imagine the outrage....
No sir, you are seriously mistaken. I'm Catholic and I am TELLING you this is a means of legislating the catechism universally with the Papacy hiding out under a corporate charter. Let them do what they see fit in their gated community arrangements. Universal health care is applicable to free society, and the Catholic Bishops argument is declaring the Catechism (a set of rules Catholics adopt of their own volition without force) be upheld universally through force of writ.

The men of the Church are using the US government as a means to enforce a catechism which they themselves cannot enforce 24/7 even when in the direct control of the Vatican. Think about that. Even in the fishbowl called the Vatican, if someone is going to scam out of the catechism, they're going to scam out.
L.A.-area bishop, father of two, resigns - Los Angeles Times
I guess he could have carried on for 3 more decades undetected if someone didn't out him.
Padre Alberto Cutie: The wedding pictures | Jose Lambiet
It must be quite a sigh of relief that Father Cutie is no longer obliged to hate on women or feel compelled to legislatively chase tails around forever. Now he can get back to his REAL job. Ministering. Not political control of human beings. If the catechism is wise, and sound, and consistent with the teachings of Jesus, Christians WILL follow it without the barrel of the gun.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:26 PM
 
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Feminism and abortion are the answer to an excessive amount of idiots being born!
I thought there was something that was common ground with the bold and ..........Hitler Pro-Abortion

Although Hitler and his government encourged Aryan women to produce a lot of children, he left the matter of abortion and all its facets in the hands of a decidely pro- abortion medical establishment. Even in the midst of Nazi propaganda aimed at increasing the Aryan population, scores of Aryan women still chose to abort their unborn children. The medical publication Deutsches Aerzleblatt reported the abortions in Germany each year reached a half-million.
Further, a Nazi decree of October 19, 1941 established abortion on demand as the official policy of Poland. Hitler, however, expressed dissatisfaction with this policy. Abortion, he believed, should NOT be limited to Poland. He therefore ordered that abortion be expanded to all populations under the control of the "Ministry of the Occupied Territories of the East."

On July 22, 1942, the Fuhrer exhibited a highly positive attitude towards abortion as an indispensable method of dealing with the non-German populations in countries under Nazi control. "In view of the large families of the native populations," he asserted, "it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible." Hitler also personally announced that he "would personally shoot" any "such idiot" who "tried to put into practice such an order (forbidding abortion) in the occupied Eastern territories.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:29 PM
 
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Well this is a very simple one.



That means congress has a freaking 80 ft wall in front of them when it comes to things religious.

If Catholic anythings don't want to provide contraceptive based upon their religion then congress can't even see that because of that 80 ft wall.

So sorry for those who want to gradually work their way into religious institutions.
SORRY CHARLIE! That 80ft wall is a two way street. Separation of Church and state is an excellent arrangement protecting the integrity of both. If only Catholicism would abide IT, rather than finnagle AROUND that wall.

Catholics who can't manage to navigate in free society because the Papacy is attempting to steer them from remote control inflicting them on all other citizens are free to start their ultra orthodox gated community and ex communicate me forever. No, and hell no, am I ever living there.

Catholic politicians in the Vatican trying to live vicariously through American law can quit their manipulative habits or be sent the bill from the majority. Blind obedience doesn't work, they've refused to teach, blocked all others from teaching, but they whine like martyrs at the government. No grievance anyone could have with them is real until it costs them??? OKAY!! Let the lawsuits begin!!!
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