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Old 02-11-2012, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I object to laws that treat one category of adult citizens differently than another.
Do you object to people under a certain age not being eligible for Social Security benefits?
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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In repealing Prohibition under the Eighteenth Amendment, the Twenty-first Amendment ceded to the states complete control over alcoholic beverages.
If that were true there would be a Bureau of Tobacco & Firearms, instead of a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms under the Department of the Treasury. A federal alcohol tax was the very first tax instituted by Congress, and alcohol is still being taxed at the federal level.

Current BATF Taxes & Fees: TTBGov Tax and Fee Rates
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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What you are referring to is the federal import tax and regulatory provisions regarding labeling of alcoholic beverages prior to their introduction into interstate commerce. It is the states under section 2 of the Twenty-First Amendment that have all authority over the transportation, importation, distribution and use of alcoholic beverages within their borders. The same applies to tobacco, albeit some tobacco products (viz. Cuban cigars) are barred import into the United States; and also firearms subject to restrictions imposed by the National Firearms Act of 1934 (26 U.S.C. Ch. 53).
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Old 02-12-2012, 10:29 AM
 
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In many states you can still go to the discos, clubs or bars when you are 18. You just cannot be served alcohol there.
Yeah but we could legally drink at 18 and we did...but we were already doing that in Jr. High....We made a concoction called Jungle Juice pineapples,apples.oranges,water melon,grapes anything you liked 2 cans of High C Juice, 190 proof Grain alcohol with a pint of Southern Comfort for coloring and flavor stir chill serve the girls loved it .
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:17 PM
 
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Actually, the Supreme Court in Printz v. US, 521 US 898 (1997) held that unfunded federal mandates are unconstitutional. However, it was in New York v. US, 505 US 144 (1992) that set the precedent by prohibiting the federal government from compelling a State to enforce a federal regulatory program.

So if your State implements federal regulations and unfunded federal mandates it is because your State legislature wants them, not because they have no choice.
That's such a typically naive perspective ... there are many points of "leverage" that the federal government can employ to coerce "voluntary compliance".

Furthermore, the Courts are a joke ... lower courts today simply won't even address constitutional arguments in their consideration, therefore what the Supreme Court found in some reference case has little bearing on daily business. In case you haven't noticed, the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches violate the constitution more often than a hooker hikes her skirt.
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:35 PM
 
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With regard to the General Welfare, the Supreme Court had this to say:
Rather prophetic I think.

The reality is that the drinking age in various States was changed during the 1980s, when the federal government was using its spending authority to extort States into compliance with federal desires. The exact same way the federal government extorted the States into changing their speed limits during the 1970s.

All that changed after the Supreme Court decisions in New York v. US, 505 US 144 (1992) and Printz v. US, 521 US 898 (1997).
Oh, I see ... I used to be right, because that used to be the way it was, but not anymore ... now things are different and the Federal Government is in greater compliance with constitutional limits on it's powers? THAT"S WHAT YOU ARE PEDDLING?

PLEASE .... just stop. The Federal Government doesn't even feel the need to pretend to respect the constitution anymore ... that's how much worse it has gotten ... not better.

Last year, the Texas legislature passed a bill unanimously in the House to prevent TSA from physical assault of Texans in Texas airports ... the Federal Government then warned that they would stop commercial air traffic to and from Texas ... a literal "no fly zone" if the Texas Senate passed the Bill and it was signed by Perry. That's not just extortion, that is a direct threat of an act of war!

In another case in point, the Justice department has said that they will raid, confiscate and prosecute those involved in State licensed medical marijuana ... both possession and distribution, in spite of it being legal and approved under State Law.

So, you have no valid argument here, and you might as well just stop while you're behind.
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:26 PM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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Yeah but we could legally drink at 18 and we did...but we were already doing that in Jr. High....We made a concoction called Jungle Juice pineapples,apples.oranges,water melon,grapes anything you liked 2 cans of High C Juice, 190 proof Grain alcohol with a pint of Southern Comfort for coloring and flavor stir chill serve the girls loved it .
We all had our days of underage drinking. I did it too. Also played the slots when I was under 21 which is a big no no here. That doesn't mean it should be legal.
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:29 PM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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Oh, I see ... I used to be right, because that used to be the way it was, but not anymore ... now things are different and the Federal Government is in greater compliance with constitutional limits on it's powers? THAT"S WHAT YOU ARE PEDDLING?

PLEASE .... just stop. The Federal Government doesn't even feel the need to pretend to respect the constitution anymore ... that's how much worse it has gotten ... not better.

Last year, the Texas legislature passed a bill unanimously in the House to prevent TSA from physical assault of Texans in Texas airports ... the Federal Government then warned that they would stop commercial air traffic to and from Texas ... a literal "no fly zone" if the Texas Senate passed the Bill and it was signed by Perry. That's not just extortion, that is a direct threat of an act of war!

In another case in point, the Justice department has said that they will raid, confiscate and prosecute those involved in State licensed medical marijuana ... both possession and distribution, in spite of it being legal and approved under State Law.

So, you have no valid argument here, and you might as well just stop while you're behind.
It would not make Texas a no fly zone. You could still fly commercial within Texas between places like Dallas and Houston. But air travel that is interstate is most definitely a Federal responsibility and the TSA is a Federal agency.
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Old 02-13-2012, 12:09 AM
 
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Well, the science seems to say it's so.
I'd like to know the 'science' behind it.

Look, I'm sure that brains change over time - wouldn't argue with that. But the issue here is, can 18-year-olds drink responsibly, and I don't think that there's a scientific reason that says they cannot. In my experience, people on average don't mature fully until the age of about 30 - life experiences and all. But there's no reason why people can't drink at the age of 18.
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Old 02-13-2012, 12:52 AM
 
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Duh...when it's 21, 21 year olds buy it for their 18-20 year old friends. When, and if it was 18, they would be buying it for their 14-17 year old high school friends. Can, DID and does happen. Back up to 21 again. The 18-20 year olds still get drunk too. At least they all aren't freshman in high school though.
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