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But luckily simple logic can make the point in a way many more people can follow. Just think about it, which would be more efficient:
1. Refining gasoline, trucking it to the destination (no loss of energy in trucking), and burning it for energy, or....
Your logic fails. That truck doesn't run on sunshine. If you wanted to come to any conclusions you really need a comprehensive study that is going to take all of these factors into consideration. For example beyond the fuel being used by that truck we have roads and bridges that are being damaged, the asphalt and concrete industries are one of the largest producers of emissions in the country. Consider the fact some of that oil is coming from half way around the world and most of it is from aging wells where there is great deal of energy used to extract it.
Coal is going to have same issue with transportation but since most of it is moved via rail short distances there is far less emissions.
when we talk about electric cars im with you. when we talk about smaller vehicles im your guy.
when we talk about wind farms and solar panels replacing nuclear energy, i gota gag, i got engineering friends that point out that green energy cant hold a candle to output capacity of nuclear.
Well old Rush spells out pretty good here what libs are all about.
"My grandfather was born in 1893. And he saw more advancement in human technology, quality of life in the first 50 years of his life than had happened in all of human history prior to it.
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when we talk about electric cars im with you. when we talk about smaller vehicles im your guy.
when we talk about wind farms and solar panels replacing nuclear energy, i gota gag, i got engineering friends that point out that green energy cant hold a candle to output capacity of nuclear.
Agreed about that aspect of nuke vs green, however, nuke is a finite resource. So green needs more r&d and we need more diversity happening in energy sectors. Some roads in SC have flashing warning signs operating on solar power alone. Saves money, reduces demand for copper connections/ grid expenses, and offsets the overall demand on the energy equation too heavily leaning on single sources.
I've got gas heat in my house. I also have electric space heaters as needed. I also have a pellet stove I rarely use. Choices are good. Being overly dependent on one thing or another is not good when the gas pipe in the street is OOS or the power for the neighborhood is cut. It empowers customers to make better choices to adapt to reality/ price changes etc. It also distances us from dependence on foreign oil.
When they make an electric vehicle that'll run 2500 miles non stop like this,call me.
HA! I hear you. But think of it this way-- if I don't need the power of a tractor trailer and find a good electric car that suits my purposes, that means less demand at the pump and cheaper fuel for your rig. Presuming supply and demand rules are in effect. Right? If fuel keeps being needlessly consumed at the rate we are currently gobbling up, how long before you can't drive that rig anymore because fuel is $25 per gallon?
We need to retain that fuel supply for what purposes truly need it. I can't picture a warship operating on green power. Not even for a minute. Massive farm equipment, earth moving rigs-- need that fuel far more than average citizens driving to a convenience store do. Diversity in transportation modes is good. Stepping away from oil addiction as best we can is good. We will always NEED oil. How much is the only thing we can control if empowered to do so.
Well old Rush spells out pretty good here what libs are all about.
"My grandfather was born in 1893. And he saw more advancement in human technology, quality of life in the first 50 years of his life than had happened in all of human history prior to it.
"
Your logic fails. That truck doesn't run on sunshine. If you wanted to come to any conclusions you really need a comprehensive study that is going to take all of these factors into consideration. For example beyond the fuel being used by that truck we have roads and bridges that are being damaged, the asphalt and concrete industries are one of the largest producers of emissions in the country. Consider the fact some of that oil is coming from half way around the world and most of it is from aging wells where there is great deal of energy used to extract it.
Coal is going to have same issue with transportation but since most of it is moved via rail short distances there is far less emissions.
Hmmm, considering all those trains moving said coal aren't operating on same said coal? Barges toting that coal-- any more coal powered vessels out there? Why is that?
Coal has it's applications. Limited. And must be cleaner. I believe my Senator Manchin has the correct position pushing for clean coal plants for the industry to be more accountable for it's secondary costs.
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HA! I hear you. But think of it this way-- if I don't need the power of a tractor trailer and find a good electric car that suits my purposes, that means less demand at the pump and cheaper fuel for your rig. Presuming supply and demand rules are in effect. Right? If fuel keeps being needlessly consumed at the rate we are currently gobbling up, how long before you can't drive that rig anymore because fuel is $25 per gallon?
We need to retain that fuel supply for what purposes truly need it. I can't picture a warship operating on green power. Not even for a minute. Massive farm equipment, earth moving rigs-- need that fuel far more than average citizens driving to a convenience store do. Diversity in transportation modes is good. Stepping away from oil addiction as best we can is good. We will always NEED oil. How much is the only thing we can control if empowered to do so.
Yeah I agree...IF I could find an electric truck that still got me around decent and I didn't get ripped on the purchase price,I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
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