Gallup: Nearly 50% of Small Business Blame obamacare/Regulations for Lack of Hiring (waiver, government)

[MTAtech]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

Well, the last time I checked, I said nothing about obamacare.....nor is that what I am arguing....

I want to see this fairytail 14%, that is supposed to be in that article, that's it...nothing more....

The thread title is:
Gallup: Nearly 50% of Small Business Blame obamacare/Regulations for Lack of Hiring
At least it was "the last time I checked."

[texdav]

Well :I do know that where I worked they have a hiring freeze because even after adopti gthe termws of Obamacare as its called they want to access how the changtes they made efffect them. Many paces haven't even considered it other than just waiting until required to meet the mandates. Most ;like mine.had actuaries come in a study the cost to provide heathcare thru 65. The chnages where amny especailly anyone a new hire wanting to retire before 65. Luckily I was covered under previsous terms of emplyemnt on heathcare before 65 and after.Cost did go up to meet the mandates but at least they were not eliminated for retiring before 65 or at 65.

[MTAtech]

Originally Posted by texdav

Well :I do know that where I worked they have a hiring freeze because even after adopti gthe termws of Obamacare as its called they want to access how the changtes they made efffect them. Many paces haven't even considered it other than just waiting until required to meet the mandates. Most ;like mine.had actuaries come in a study the cost to provide heathcare thru 65. The chnages where amny especailly anyone a new hire wanting to retire before 65. Luckily I was covered under previsous terms of emplyemnt on heathcare before 65 and after.Cost did go up to meet the mandates but at least they were not eliminated for retiring before 65 or at 65.

Health care costs went up last year, as they have for each year in the last 40 years, that doesn't mean they went up because of ObamaCare.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by MTAtech

Health care costs went up last year, as they have for each year in the last 40 years, that doesn't mean they went up because of ObamaCare.

It went up 9% where the year before it went up 3%.

The claim is that it only went up 3% because of the faltering economy.

There is no clear and concise reason behind that.

If it was because of a faltering economy 9% in 2011 doesn't make sense since 2011 was still considered an abysmal year in terms of growth.

Stay tuned...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/28/bu...pagewanted=all

http://ehbs.kff.org/pdf/2011/8225.pdf

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by MTAtech

Health care costs went up last year, as they have for each year in the last 40 years, that doesn't mean they went up because of ObamaCare.

But, Obama said they would go down by 3000%. They would drop so much that everyone would get a raise. Don't you remember that "promise" ?

If you don't remember..here is him saying it:


Obama: Premiums Will Decrease 3000% So You Should Get A Raise When H'care Is Passed - YouTube

[florida.bob]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

It went up 9% where the year before it went up 3%.

The claim is that it only went up 3% because of the faltering economy.

There is no clear and concise reason behind that.

If it was because of a faltering economy 9% in 2011 doesn't make sense since 2011 was still considered an abysmal year in terms of growth.

Stay tuned...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/28/bu...pagewanted=all

http://ehbs.kff.org/pdf/2011/8225.pdf

Here is a 10 year look at the Ins premium growth ..

http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/doc...ium_Report.pdf

Exhibit 4 is rather telling..

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

Here is a 10 year look at the Ins premium growth ..

http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/doc...ium_Report.pdf

Exhibit 4 is rather telling..

You want me to follow you into Alice's wonderland?

[florida.bob]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

You want me to follow you into Alice's wonderland?

The data comes from KFF, you know the same org you referenced. It's just that it's 1 decade instead of 1 year.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

The data comes from KFF, you know the same org you referenced. It's just that it's 1 decade instead of 1 year.

Then go to KFF. Instead you went to the hyper partisan Whitehouse.gov link.

By the way, I did read all that.

I also noticed how retarded and magical mushroom affected those Obama assessments were.

I pointed out how the KFF pointed out the reduction in health premiums. Then, about 3 seconds later, the summarily went to past increases.

Three percent increase versus 9% increases.

The economy didn't grow 300% during that time.

Health care cost did.

[florida.bob]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

Then go to KFF. Instead you went to the hyper partisan Whitehouse.gov link.

By the way, I did read all that.

I also noticed how retarded and magical mushroom affected those Obama assessments were.

I pointed out how the KFF pointed out the reduction in health premiums. Then, about 3 seconds later, the summarily went to past increases.

Three percent increase versus 9% increases.

The economy didn't grow 300% during that time.

Health care cost did.

Depending on State, premiums went up an average of between 8.8% and 14.5% a year for the 10 year period. This isn't rocket science. Even those that do not want to see the trend, should have difficulty denying it. But, deny away if you want, that just reflects a different issue that may need attention.