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Old 02-16-2012, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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"A Colorado high school student says he quit the school choir after an Islamic song containing the lyric 'there is no truth except Allah' made it into the repertoire. "I don’t want to come across as a bigot or a racist, but I really don’t feel it is appropriate for students in a public high school to be singing an Islamic worship song,” Harper told KREX-TV. 'This is worshipping another God, and even worshipping another prophet ... I think there would be a lot of outrage if we made a Muslim choir say Jesus Christ is the only truth.' But district spokesman Jeff Kirtland defended the decision to include the song."

Colorado Student Quits High School Choir Over Islamic Song Praising 'Allah' | Fox News

Meanwhile, in Massachusetts -

"An Acton, Mass., school district is being sued by parents over the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance, which they say discriminates against atheists. The anonymous parents of three children in two Acton schools, filing as John and Jane Doe, are suing the district to have the words "under God" removed from the pledge, saying it is discriminatory against their children who are being raised as atheists, WHDH-TV, Boston, reported."

Mass. parents sue to remove 'under God' from pledge | Times 247

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Why do you support "God" and hate "Allah"?
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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Even though it is the same God the Father it's not as simple as that. It's not just another language, it's another faith tradition. If you say "There is no God but Allah" then you are rejecting the divinity of Jesus Christ and accepting Mohammed as a true prophet. Therefore it is proper for the Christian student to refuse to sing the song. As it would be appropriate for a Muslim student to refuse to sing a song that praised Jesus as the Son Of God. As it would be appropriate for a Jewish student, who rejects both Mohammed and Jesus, to refuse to sing either song. A tolerant individual would respect that these are matters of importance for people of faith and not toss it off as no big deal.
All the choir members were given the option to refuse to sing the song. This kid didn't just refuse to sing the song. He quit the choir and is also wanting the choir to be unable to sing songs from traditions he doesn't agree with. A tolerant individual would simply refuse to sing the song. An intolerant individual is the one who insists that the other choir members have to do as he does.
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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So, the students were:

1. Not required to participate in the choir
2. Got no academic credit for participating
3. Were shown performances of the song in question
4. Were given translated lyrics of the song in question
5. Said song was written for a movie, not worship
6. Performances were not limited to any particular religious theme

I don't see the problem here.

Besides, "Allah" means "God", and Islam is also an Abrahamic religion - isn't that the same God that Christians worship? Sans Christ, of course, but God the Father? Same as Yahweh. So some of you are saying that worshiping the same God in another language (even though it's not a worship song) is worshipping false gods? Interesting.

Don't worry, I don't expect any coherent answers, just a bunch of sputtering "you stupid liberal, you are wrong", so I'm not getting my hopes up.
precisely.
Children in elementary school are sometimes taught The Rubaiyat by Omar Khayam, it is beautiful poetry.

The Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám (Persian: رباعیات عمر خیام‎) is the title that Edward FitzGerald gave to his translation of a selection of poems, originally written in Persian and of which there are about a thousand, attributed to Omar Khayyám (1048–1131), a Persian poet, mathematician and astronomer. A ruba'i is a two-line stanza with two parts (or hemistichs) per line, hence the word rubáiyát (derived from the Arabic language root for "four"), meaning "quatrains".
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Words mean things. I would not sing or say anything that declares that Allah is the eternal truth. Allah and the Christian God are not the same. It doesn't matter whether the song was written for a movie or for worship, again, words mean things. If you make that declaration, it's worship.

But I would have probably just not sung those words and remained in the chorus.
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Allah and the Christian God are not the same.
Proof of the dysfunctional family that the right wingers are (in any country). Especially evident in the USA, where this same group uses "God" to represent all faith when it comes to whining against opposition to "In God We Trust" or "One Nation Under God"... and then turn around and say "God" is different from "Allah" is different from...

Or, is it just a matter of inconsistency out of these brains?
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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hatred is unifying for the ignorant. They are afraid to learn of anything that is different.

[SIZE=6]Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us."[/SIZE]

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Old 02-16-2012, 10:34 AM
 
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Interesting stories, but ultimately local issues.

So no...no real comments.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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Found this on the Islamic and Christian songs that were reportedly sung:

The Islamic song is entitled, "Zikr."

"Zikr, according to the book Fiqh-Us-Sunnah by Sheik Sayyed As Sabeeq, mentions that, "All words of praise and glory to Allah, extolling His Perfect Attributes of Power and Majesty, Beauty and Sublimeness, whether one utters them by tongue or says them silently in one's heart, are known as Zikr or remembrance of Allah."
Zikr: Meaning, Benefits And The Role It Has In My Life

Here are the lyrics, which repeatedly praise Allah and appear to reference Mohammad 5 times.
A. R. Rahman Zikr Lyrics


Here are the lyrics and story behind the "Christian" song, entitled "Prayer of the Children." It references Jesus 3x within the context of children praying to Jesus in the midst of a war torn country.

"Angry guns preach a gospel full of hate," is one line of the "Christian" song.

Prayer of the Children - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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All the choir members were given the option to refuse to sing the song. This kid didn't just refuse to sing the song. He quit the choir and is also wanting the choir to be unable to sing songs from traditions he doesn't agree with. A tolerant individual would simply refuse to sing the song. An intolerant individual is the one who insists that the other choir members have to do as he does.
^^This.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:40 AM
 
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It's an after school, voluntary activity, so what's the beef? Does anyone object to the Christian song too? If not, why not?



The beef is that it's still a school-sponsored activity and religion should be totally removed from the schools, right?
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