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Old 02-17-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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The current attacks on labor, via the right to work legislation, is designed, I believe, to neuter one of the strongest supporters of the Democratic Party. Labor unions. It's not about providing some sort of benefit to workers. Or, in the long run ... employers.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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But in the end his company went down the crapper.
And he probably didnt care. Money and greed is what drives that kind of person not service or "being a river to the people".
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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And that won't happen when we get Card Check will it? Who usually calls strikes that keep workers from working so they don't get paid? Why it is those unions and in most instances they get dues money from the non-members.
A non-member gets the benefits of a union member's hard work and sacrifice without paying for it. The law trades one screw job for another.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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In my experience, if the majority of employees voted to be represented by a union, it was because company execs were being unfair to its workers. So if the company has needlessly taken away so many employee benefits and cut wages to the point where the majority of employees have decided to fight back and get the shop unionized, why should they want their union weakened by a right-to-work law?
I don't know, maybe you should ask the union members who have voted with their feet. Membership in unions has gone from 37% of private sector workers in the 1950's to about 7% now. Apparently management and ownership hasn't been the ogre that people like you seem to think they are.

I would add though that the threat of unionization can help maintain balance.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:48 AM
 
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When union workers make the higher salaries, it just raises the prices of everything in the area. It is useless to make so much money. I smile every time I pay taxes and realize their greed is costing them more money.
I'm wondering if the higher salaries were justified by increased company profits and the the execs decided to raises their prices to customers just out of personal greed. From my experiences, unionized workers simply negotiated to keep their current wage or gain a minor wage increase that the company can readily afford.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:52 AM
 
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I don't know, maybe you should ask the union members who have voted with their feet. Membership in unions has gone from 37% of private sector workers in the 1950's to about 7% now. Apparently management and ownership hasn't been the ogre that people like you seem to think they are.

I would add though that the threat of unionization can help maintain balance.
When did I say that? I'm just wondering what a right-to-work law has to offer to unionized shop employees who have seen improvements in their working environment.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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When did I say that? I'm just wondering what a right-to-work law has to offer to unionized shop employees who have seen improvements in their working environment.
Oh. Sorry I get a little politically controversial sometimes.

Well, I guess it would offer them the ability to opt out of the union.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I don't know, maybe you should ask the union members who have voted with their feet. Membership in unions has gone from 37% of private sector workers in the 1950's to about 7% now. Apparently management and ownership hasn't been the ogre that people like you seem to think they are.

I would add though that the threat of unionization can help maintain balance.

Most of the loss of those union jobs wasn't because the members opted to leave the union. It was because the companies opted to leave the unions behind by moving to right to work states or overseas.

In other words, they didn't walk away from the union...their jobs walked away from them in search of higher profits.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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Oh. Sorry I get a little politically controversial sometimes.

Well, I guess it would offer them the ability to opt out of the union.
No hard feelings.

You know, right-to-work reminds me of charter schools. The public schools were failing, so charter schools were born. I say, why not fix the problem at its source instead of treating it like a redheaded stepchild? Just like why not work to fix the problem of corruption in the unions instead of instilling a right-to-work law?
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:17 AM
 
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Right to work, for less. It only benefits the fat cats by slashing wages and benefits, lower safety standards, and little to no say to the worker to fight back against the company if needed
In that case they could choose to join the union.
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