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Old 02-18-2012, 03:02 AM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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If this is allowed to happen under his administration, it will be the action of a man the founders were warned about when framing the presidential clause that was to become Article 2 Section 1. They wanted a future president a natural born Citizen that was born with sole allegiance to the United States, not a President that was born with an allegiance to a foreign sovereignty that would cast doubts about his loyalty to America. How do you ensure sole allegiance to the United States? Both your parents are both U.S. citizens at your birth. As we all know, Obama's birth was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 due the the fact that his father was not a U.S. citizen but rather a British Subject making Barack Jr a dual Citizen with split allegiances at birth. With that said, former candidate Joe Miller from Alaska has discovered that Obama secretly negotiated new boundary lines between the U.S. and Siberia which would put 7 Alaskan islands which have oil rich shales for thousands of square miles that will soon be considered Russian waters. This move means the president would be letting oil rich sovereign U.S. property be handed over to the Russians, a sworn military adversary for decades. Although this didn't start under Obama, it is still a treasonous move and it is flat out un American if Obama does this. This property has U.S. natural resources on it that insures our national security. With Obama wanting to cut 80% of our 1,550 nuclear deployed weapons and now this treacherous possible move, it is clear that this ineligible non natural born citizen president would be undermining United States sovereignty putting our national security at severe risk. What is America getting in return?




Joe Miller: “Obama Gives Seven Alaska Islands To Russia” | The Real Revo

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Old 02-18-2012, 04:20 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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'Negotiated in total secrecy.'

What is this man doing to America?

Please leftists and democrats, please explain his actions and reasoning. Justify his actions.
 
Old 02-18-2012, 04:32 AM
 
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Originally Posted by wrench409 View Post
'Negotiated in total secrecy.'

What is this man doing to America?

Please leftists and democrats, please explain his actions and reasoning. Justify his actions.
He (Obama) is the duly elected President of the USA by the majority of the voting public, if you dont like or agree with how he runs things you have your opportunity in November to vote in the Candidate of your choice.
In the mean time continuing the birther nonsense just makes your cause look foolish and gives normal people more incentive to re elect President Obama.
As for giving away islands? the ones in question were already in Russian territories,Obama never gave them away but merely acknowledged that they were indeed Russian.
Another rightwing tempest in a teapot.
Is there any sky left to fall?..
 
Old 02-18-2012, 04:50 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by Steve McGarrett View Post
How do you ensure sole allegiance to the United States? Both your parents are both U.S. citizens at your birth.


I really like that line.

Home country allegiance is apparently genetic. I guess it requires X and Y chromosomes or something like that, and if one parent was a citizen of some other country, it causes a genetic abnormality which could lead to someone being....um.....un-American. Maybe it's sumthin' in foreign water that causes that, ya reckon?

It's really interesting that the Founding Father's knew that when they wrote the Constitution! Nobody else knew about genetics then, so how did they know? Alien intervention in 1787 to protect us from...well...aliens in 2008? How many generations does it take for the foreign allegiance gene to disappear?

Question: How could Washington, Jefferson, John Adams etc be expected to hold allegiance to America? They were all born to British citizens! Hell, they were British citizens themselves!

Ooooo...Ooooo! I see a pattern emerging, do you? The Founding Fathers had British genes...Obama has British genes...it's a CONSPIRACY BY THE BRITS TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD! OMG!

I'll bet Timothy McVeigh, John Walker, Jr, Tokyo Rose, Lord Haw Haw and John Walker Lindh all had a Brit in the woodpile somewhere because, even though they were born in this country to citizen parents, they were all traitors.

It's all so clear now!
 
Old 02-18-2012, 04:52 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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Originally Posted by jambo101 View Post
He (Obama) is the duly elected President of the USA by the majority of the voting public, if you dont like or agree with how he runs things you have your opportunity in November to vote in the Candidate of your choice.
In the mean time continuing the birther nonsense just makes your cause look foolish and gives normal people more incentive to re elect President Obama.
As for giving away islands? the ones in question were already in Russian territories,Obama never gave them away but merely acknowledged that they were indeed Russian.
Another rightwing tempest in a teapot.
Is there any sky left to fall?..
So the islands (discovered by Americans by the way) thereafter claimed by Russia were all along part of Russia (who didn't even know they were there).

I get it.

Now justify O's actions. Quit deflecting.

Why give the possession over to Russia and why in total secrecy?

I don't care about the 'birther' aspect of this. Just the secret transparency of it as well as the reasoning for it.

Is it in his job description to cede lands away from the country?
 
Old 02-18-2012, 04:55 AM
 
Location: North America
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Joe miller is a moron if he is spouting this. None of those islands ever were US islands. They have been claimed to be ours by some fringe groups who made claims that the state department has fought for them.
 
Old 02-18-2012, 04:57 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Originally Posted by Steve McGarrett View Post
If this is allowed to happen under his administration, it will be the action of a man the founders were warned about when framing the presidential clause that was to become Article 2 Section 1. They wanted a future president a natural born Citizen that was born with sole allegiance to the United States, not a President that was born with an allegiance to a foreign sovereignty that would cast doubts about his loyalty to America. How do you ensure sole allegiance to the United States? Both your parents are both U.S. citizens at your birth. As we all know, Obama's birth was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 due the the fact that his father was not a U.S. citizen but rather a British Subject making Barack Jr a dual Citizen with split allegiances at birth. With that said, former candidate Joe Miller from Alaska has discovered that Obama secretly negotiated new boundary lines between the U.S. and Siberia which would put 7 Alaskan islands which have oil rich shales for thousands of square miles that will soon be considered Russian waters. This move means the president would be letting oil rich sovereign U.S. property be handed over to the Russians, a sworn military adversary for decades. Although this didn't start under Obama, it is still a treasonous move and it is flat out un American if Obama does this. This property has U.S. natural resources on it that insures our national security. With Obama wanting to cut 80% of our 1,550 nuclear deployed weapons and now this treacherous possible move, it is clear that this ineligible non natural born citizen president would be undermining United States sovereignty putting our national security at severe risk. What is America getting in return?




Joe Miller: “Obama Gives Seven Alaska Islands To Russia” | The Real Revo
Here is a better link
RealClearPolitics - President Obama vs. Republican Candidates
 
Old 02-18-2012, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Can you take any issue and turn it into a birther thread? the two issues have nothing to do with each other and makes your logic look twisted. Your logic gets blinded by your hatred what is your explanation when you read this :
Quote:
This is not a new issue. In fact the Bush and Clinton administrations are directly at fault for the same inaction.
Obama did the exact same thing as the 2 presidents before him so what is your or Millers point? It could not be the claim of dual citizenship was the root of the problem.

Look at the map, does the islands look closer to Russia or Alaska? any person that used logic and looked at the maps would say they should belong to Russia. That is what the Senate approved :

Quote:
The United States Congress quickly ratified the agreement as very favorable, but the Soviet Union failed to do so before its collapse in 1991.
This is a non issue the lines were drawn and it looks fair.
 
Old 02-18-2012, 05:29 AM
 
Location: North America
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You'll also notice that if you type the title of the article into google you get no credible news sources. However you do get a lot of fringe right wing websites, and blogs.
 
Old 02-18-2012, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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Question: How could Washington, Jefferson, John Adams etc be expected to hold allegiance to America?
Easy. If you had a education you would have learned that Washington, Jefferson, John Adams and a few others who would become president were grandfathered in as simple Citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution until a second generation natural born Citizen was finally able to meet the requirement of the Article 2 Section 1 Clause.



No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States., shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

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