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Old 02-20-2012, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by noexcuseforignorance View Post
Ahh, you do know that the economy is growing right? Iran has always been a big problem. Why are you whining about Obama?

Perphaps you should actually look at GDP growth before you start talking about the economy not getting better.


OK, looked at it...

United States GDP Growth Rate

It sucks!
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:26 PM
 
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Here's another interesting graph.

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Old 02-20-2012, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by momonkey View Post
OK, looked at it...

United States GDP Growth Rate

It sucks!
It sucks? You are way to kind.

Looking...


Mircea

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Originally Posted by modeerf View Post
Here's another interesting graph.
Uh, okay, that is truly a concern, but more importantly is the public debt to GDP ratio. Your public debt is roughly $10 TRILLION with the non-public debt (the worthless OASI Trust Fund, OADI Trust Fund, HI-Medicare-Trust Fund etc) being about $5 TRILLION. Over the next 8 years, as you draw down those Trust Funds, that debt is converted to public debt and the ratio of public debt to GDP increases and it will cause even more problems.

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Mircea

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Originally Posted by buzzards27 View Post
Except that nose dive Bush left Obama has been slowing, look closely the end of that chart is beginning to hook.
Yeah, well, a person who has been shot and is bleeding to death eventually stops bleeding.

That is not necessarily good news, especially if the reason they stopped bleeding is that they died.

Medically...

Mircea

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Originally Posted by california-jewel View Post
It is not good, and i am not lying. 9 people from one place of employment were just let go, a mananger that has been with the company for over 12 years, was also let go. She is so upset with the other eight let go. This was from one place of employment.

I know people also whose hours have been greatly reduced. And people working double loads. This is a good economy, does not look that way to me.

Some very established firms, are also letting people go, it is actually getting darn scary out there. And this is some of that Chagne brought onto us from Obama, which was suppose to bring us Hope and Good Change.
That will continue, but not at the pace it once did here recently.

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I want the number of all unemployed who have actually stopped looking, and cannot find a job.
Roughly 5.85 Million.

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Mircea

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Originally Posted by noexcuseforignorance View Post
Ahh, you do know that the economy is growing right? Iran has always been a big problem. Why are you whining about Obama?

Perphaps you should actually look at GDP growth before you start talking about the economy not getting better.
Your GDP growth for 2011 was a dismal 1.7%.

Yes, I know the recent claim was 2.Something% for 4th Quarter 2011, but we still have two revisions to go, and that will be revised downward.

Also, there's no relation between GDP growth and employment. Your GDP can grow and grow and grow but that is no guarantee employment will ever pick up.

As a point of fact, as your GDP slowed through the last couple of decades, your employment increased, which is counter-intuitive.

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Mircea

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Add to that percentage the people in this country that are massively underemployed, and that number may well exceed 30%.
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Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948 View Post
read the article. it does not show it but 46% of americans work FTE.
they are carrying the rest of us. but mostly we make up the gap with lots and lots of debt.
Yes, that is a terrible problem. Underemployment in conjunction with a lower labor force participation rate guarantees that you cannot fund your social welfare programs like Social Security and Medicare.

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the anti-business attitude of the last three years has US corps hoarding trillions of dollars on their balance sheets , which equals lost employment opportunities.
I don't necessarily see that. Corporations have no choice but to stock-pile cash in order to fend off hostile take-overs and leveraged buyouts. In a volatile economy, the stocks could drop precipitously, leaving any corporation who isn't sitting on a mountain of cash to be completely vulnerable.

Corporate raiding...


Mircea
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:21 PM
 
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Did they point out to you there that the participation rate was much lower in the 1950's up to the 1980's?
The problem with that is that in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s, it was much more possible for a family, even a large family to live on one income. In those times, mostly it was the dads that worked and they earned enough for the family to live on. Today many families cannot live on one income.

In the 1950's up to the 1980's, it was far more common for someone with a high school diploma to marry in his/her early 20's, start buying a house, begin having kids and the mom could stay home and raise the kids.

Today a couple both with college degrees would have trouble affording the very same house that was once purchased by the high school graduate in the 1950's, and can afford only one or two kids with both working full time. Forget the high school graduates being able to afford anything on one income.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Sounds like something wrong with the system we are living in.... Of course, those single earner homes were 1200 bungalows on a 1/8 acre, today those two earners are buying three times the house.


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The problem with that is that in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s, it was much more possible for a family, even a large family to live on one income. In those times, mostly it was the dads that worked and they earned enough for the family to live on. Today many families cannot live on one income.

In the 1950's up to the 1980's, it was far more common for someone with a high school diploma to marry in his/her early 20's, start buying a house, begin having kids and the mom could stay home and raise the kids.

Today a couple both with college degrees would have trouble affording the very same house that was once purchased by the high school graduate in the 1950's, and can afford only one or two kids with both working full time. Forget the high school graduates being able to afford anything on one income.
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