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Old 02-14-2008, 08:17 PM
 
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And I believe we will Great Day.. I'm finding that there are more and more people who feel more like me and less like you in the world.. the younger generation who realizes that the world is different than the ones our parents and we were once raised in.. AND the proof is in what is happening with this election coming up (and the elections past). We're going to see some big and hopefully wonderful changes as a result..

Move over older man.. the younger ones are moving in!! And we're sick of living in the past!
I believe its more of the indoctrination into the dependency mindset, expecting the government (taxpayers) to care for them from the craddle to the grave. Yes, I am afraid more changes are to come until we go the way of the USSR where the government is expected to do so much and the individual so little that our economy will implode. Fortunately for China they realized that they would not be able to continue on the path that many younger Americans feel we should take, and are turning more toward capitalism and the advantages of individual achievement over centralized control.
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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I believe its more of the indoctrination into the dependency mindset, expecting the government (taxpayers) to care for them from the craddle to the grave. Yes, I am afraid more changes are to come until we go the way of the USSR where the government is expected to do so much and the individual so little that our economy will implode. Fortunately for China they realized that they would not be able to continue on the path that many younger Americans feel we should take, and are turning more toward capitalism and the advantages of individual achievement over centralized control.

Yeah..okay whatever..LOL..

You just can't seem to face the fact that the middle class. DESPITE NOT BEING LAZY.. is struggling to hold on to "middle class" status and remains stagnant. We're sick of wathching our hard work get us nowhere while the rich greedy corporate money machines get richer, fatter, continue to buy our politicians and push us further from the middle into the lower stratasphere.

sorry.. health insurance and the right to it should be available to all .. not just the rich elite!

I can't argue with someone who's post reflect no compassion or acknowledgement to the fact that there are HUGE problems that need major changes.. and who just want to dismiss everyone who is working hard to being "lazy".
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in Flyover country
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To believe health insurance is only a privilege seems rather cold hearted to me. Not all illnesses are preventable . What if you have a child born with a severe handicapped or get cancer despite taking all precautions? If your insurance won't cover all your costs or you really can't afford it (and no, I don't mean someone who buys an expensive house or expensive cars,designer clothes instead of health insurance) should you just suffer and perhaps die?
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:44 AM
 
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To believe health insurance is only a privilege seems rather cold hearted to me. Not all illnesses are preventable . What if you have a child born with a severe handicapped or get cancer despite taking all precautions? If your insurance won't cover all your costs or you really can't afford it (and no, I don't mean someone who buys an expensive house or expensive cars,designer clothes instead of health insurance) should you just suffer and perhaps die?
There are solutions to these, i.e. birth control, Catastrophic Health Insurance. Neither are very expensive.
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:49 AM
 
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Yeah..okay whatever..LOL..

You just can't seem to face the fact that the middle class. DESPITE NOT BEING LAZY.. is struggling to hold on to "middle class" status and remains stagnant. We're sick of wathching our hard work get us nowhere while the rich greedy corporate money machines get richer, fatter, continue to buy our politicians and push us further from the middle into the lower stratasphere.

sorry.. health insurance and the right to it should be available to all .. not just the rich elite!

I can't argue with someone who's post reflect no compassion or acknowledgement to the fact that there are HUGE problems that need major changes.. and who just want to dismiss everyone who is working hard to being "lazy".
Sure, there are problems, most of which were created by government over-regulation, corruption, and high taxes. Yet, some want the government to provide a "solution". Now THAT is laughable. If one is struggling financially, maybe its time to reassess what one is doing. Can I find a parttime job that will help get me over the hump? Am I spending too much on luxuries? Do I eat out too much? It's quite simple. Either find more income or cut expenses.
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:01 AM
 
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And I believe we will Great Day.. I'm finding that there are more and more people who feel more like me and less like you in the world.. the younger generation who realizes that the world is different than the ones our parents and we were once raised in.. AND the proof is in what is happening with this election coming up (and the elections past). We're going to see some big and hopefully wonderful changes as a result..

Move over older man.. the younger ones are moving in!! And we're sick of living in the past!
Not all of us young ones are that enthused about the possibility of a New World Order, m'dear. Didn't California teach us that liberalism isn't a cure-all?

People tend to get more conservative as they get older and have more kids, anyway-- back in the 60s, lots of enlightened progressive people thought the young generation would ditch the Man and live in harmony with Nature. The Age of Aquarius.

Someday, you and I will be just as old and jaded as Greatday is-- there is an entire generation of real disaffected old lefties out there who turned into rabid Republicans in the wake of some very bad (but well-meaning) governmental programs.

We will consider it the triumph of wisdom over naivete, and who is to say we will be wrong?
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:25 AM
 
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Not all of us young ones are that enthused about the possibility of a New World Order, m'dear. Didn't California teach us that liberalism isn't a cure-all?

People tend to get more conservative as they get older and have more kids, anyway-- back in the 60s, lots of enlightened progressive people thought the young generation would ditch the Man and live in harmony with Nature. The Age of Aquarius.

Someday, you and I will be just as old and jaded as Greatday is-- there is an entire generation of real disaffected old lefties out there who turned into rabid Republicans in the wake of some very bad (but well-meaning) governmental programs.

We will consider it the triumph of wisdom over naivete, and who is to say we will be wrong?
You're right Coffehound, these are the same type slogans heard in the 60's, which has caused many of our current problems. Experience is a good teacher, and many times better than the current school systems as evidenced by some who have recently graduated and believe in income redistribution, disguised as compassion and "social responsibility".
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:33 AM
 
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You're right Coffehound, these are the same type slogans heard in the 60's, which has caused many of our current problems. .
"Yes, we can!"

ROFL.

Really, I wonder about the future of the US... between the open season on immigration and the fervent desire of the young natives to give away their kids' paychecks, it's just sort of hard for me to fathom what could come next.

One hopes that we will grow some sense and some, um, balls.

Proverbially speaking, of course.
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Please be aware that I am an "old Leftie" and I have always thought that a minimum of economic support for everyone was the key to maximizing individual freedom as well as a stable economy. I still believe that government owned and run organizations manned by a qualified civil service should provide the things that are either natural monopolies or are needed by everyone, like healthcare and education.

I also think the government should regulate business to prevent to the environment and public health by businesses shortcutting safety measures in the mindless pursuit of profit. The government should also, by using restrictive banking and investment regulations, work to prevent the speculation driven boom and bust cycles inherent in an unregulated market. The government should not be using it’s purchasing power to reward politically selected companies bid free contracts in return for contributions or future jobs for the government contract managers and politicians.

[color=black]We, as a nation, have managed to apply the socialist principals of unlimited government support to, among others, our military and intelligence contractors, with the attendant misallocation of money and the dog eat dog fight for survival to the less affluent and less politically connected portion of the population. We have, particularly in the last couple of decades, managed to adopt the worst of both worlds. The socialistic aspects of the government support the rich investor classes and the businesses exploit the poor, the industrial workers and the small business middle class.

We need to change our policies to support the less fortunate and let the capitalist businessmen fight with each other.
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Moon Over Palmettos
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Yeah..okay whatever..LOL..

You just can't seem to face the fact that the middle class. DESPITE NOT BEING LAZY.. is struggling to hold on to "middle class" status and remains stagnant. We're sick of wathching our hard work get us nowhere while the rich greedy corporate money machines get richer, fatter, continue to buy our politicians and push us further from the middle into the lower stratasphere.

sorry.. health insurance and the right to it should be available to all .. not just the rich elite!

I can't argue with someone who's post reflect no compassion or acknowledgement to the fact that there are HUGE problems that need major changes.. and who just want to dismiss everyone who is working hard to being "lazy".
I have a problem with the statement that calls the "middle class" stagnant, as if rising up to be rich should be an end-all-be-all. Did it ever occur to you that some of us in the middle class choose to stay middle class? We realize that there is a price to being the "rich" you so envy...follow the lives of the nouveau ones who got rich through the lottery. Some of them are waste cases now. There is just too much of an entitlement mentality in some...why not focus on what you have right now instead of whining and griping about what others have you don't. There are many in Darfur who would appreciate just having running water.
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