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Ok Perhaps I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed But what exactly is Universial Socialized health care? Everyone gets the same health care even if they work or not regardless of their income or health status, and this is provided somehow by the Goverment? Just trying to get my head around the whole thing. Does this work for just general health stuff or for all kinds of the elective stuff people are so fond of these days. Sorry if I didn't read allll the posts on this thread.
Well .... how it works in the UK , for example is this...
Everyone who works and pays taxes.. there will be a % of their income taxed exclusively for the National health plan. THIS would guarantee EVERYONE is covered for EVERYTHING.. if your sick, go to the Dr. and you may pay a small copay.. same with prescriptions.
In the UK they also have private health insurance to supplement.. so say you go the hospital and want a private room.. your private insurance would pick up the cost for that (and your health insurance NOW doesn't pick up a "private room" and we pay higher rates!) Elective surgeries like plastic surgery would not be covered..but you could buy extra insurance from a private carrier incase you want a boob job or facelife in the future, I suppose.
No.. this only means that when you are sick , injured or whatever you will get treatment.. like if you somehown find yourself with cancer.. you wouldnt have to worry fi your insurance carrier will turn down the treatment becasue you do not have enough or any coverage for that matter... you automatically will.
Yes.. ify ou are not working currently then you are still covered.. but those who are not working will be poor anyway.. and who REALLY wants otlive like that.. it's not lie kwe aren't already paying for the poor in our broken system.
The idea is that , just like with private health insurance, the larger the pool the cost gets spread out thereby making the premium lower.. so imagine all of us paying into one payer system.. it would translate into lower costs for all across the board..
Many other benefits to what a UHI could do for us (as it has done for France, Canada & the U.K).. basically no one woudl die simply because they couldn't afford to papy a ridiculously high premium..
Maybe you should ask the recipients. Good intentions don't buy groceries.
First of all, how can you give what you do not have, unless it belongs to others, which is considered theft?
So, unless someone gives ALL they have to the poor, they are not compassionate?
Dont twist my words to fit your twisted picture.
What I mean is si taht when someone doesnt' really have extra to give, but gives it and takes it from their own "mouth" so to speak to help someone else it certainly means a lot more than someone who has a huge abundance and it doesn't make a difference in their life.. doesnt meanto be compassionate you have to give all you have.. not at all..
But compassion comesi nmany forms.. not jsut giving to charity. .and by a lot of the post on these boards.. most do not have any compassion.. and then like to say they "give" to make up for the fact that they are being selfish.
What I mean is si taht when someone doesnt' really have extra to give, but gives it and takes it from their own "mouth" so to speak to help someone else it certainly means a lot more than someone who has a huge abundance and it doesn't make a difference in their life.. doesnt meanto be compassionate you have to give all you have.. not at all..
But compassion comesi nmany forms.. not jsut giving to charity. .and by a lot of the post on these boards.. most do not have any compassion.. and then like to say they "give" to make up for the fact that they are being selfish.
One does not need to give money to help others.
To me, what is more important, is giving of your time - of yourself.
Volunteer at a local homeless shelter. Or Food Bank. At your local hospital. etc.
There are so many ways to help those less fortunate.
Charity and helping the poor aside.. UHI isn't about just the "poor" here. We're talking about a struggling middle class.. that is the class that works hard. . is NOT collecting welfare .. DOES NOT get medicare or medicaid because they don't qualify.. yet find themselves unable to afford health insurance needed to cover themselves and their families..hence the problem of those uninsured or underinsured!
I've had this argument with him on antoher thread.. and I've said it before.. this country was founded on the principals that all men are created equal and that we all haev the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. If you don't get treatment for a disease that is life threatening you are loosing your life.. and EVERYONE has the right to their life.. thereby everyone should have the right to treatment that saves said life!
I'm sick of having to have this same argument. All I see are a bunch of "haves" wanting to keeps something from the rest of us that "have not" and then making themselves feel better about their lack of compassion by dismissing the rest of those that may not make enough money to afford health insurance as "lazy"..which couldn't be further from the truth. NOt all people can make a lot of money, not all people can be "elite" nor would a lot of us want to be..
Bottom line.. my life or that of some middle class blue collar worker or heck , even the poor is NOT worth less simply because our pocketbook is not so big. Yes, I'm an emotional person on this issue.. WHY? Because I care about people and I can't stand to watch people be kicked to the curb or told they can't get treatment or die because they couldn't afford the ridiculous premiums.. Because I see how the middle class is struggling.. these people GreatDay and others like to call "lazy" are the furthest thing from it. Why does it seem that the more money someone gets and starts to acquire the less compassion they seem to have toward their other fellow man. If acquiring wealth means that I will turn into someone that feels that others are not worth as much as me simply because their wallet is smaller..or I start to get so paranoid about someone else trying to "take my money" I don't want to be "rich" or "elite".. I'll keep my compassion for my fellow human beings. That saying "Money is the root of all evil" is just becoming more and more true and is so evident on these boards... just makes me sad..
All that other stuff.. about "where is it written" is semantics.. How about this.. It's writtten in your heart!!! Period!! It's written in the golden rule " do unto others as you would have done to yourself". It's called compassion and if we have to have laws forcing people to be compassionate than I feel sad and sorry for the human race and what will happen in our future.
I think you should go to the religion forum to make arguments like this. As much as I agree with you I think the argument is a bit out of place. Besides you might be able to get a few more people to listen to your ideas and opinions than on this forum.
What you cite are local issues - the states - not federal.
And, as an aside (and having already pointed this out), where I reside, I do not have taxpayer funded fire department or schools
Good for you. Perhaps if you can grow your own food, create your own climate system and generate all your own power and not pollute the air or land the rest of us use, maybe you could make a valid argument for not having to pay any tax or system.
Until then you are a part of this country, this world and their respective economies and your decisions impact the lives of others while you believe it or not.
Ok Perhaps I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed But what exactly is Universial Socialized health care? Everyone gets the same health care even if they work or not regardless of their income or health status, and this is provided somehow by the Goverment? Just trying to get my head around the whole thing. Does this work for just general health stuff or for all kinds of the elective stuff people are so fond of these days. Sorry if I didn't read allll the posts on this thread.
Socialized healthcare is a socialist program where everybody is entitled to the same healthcare and the government controls it. Everybody pays higher taxes to support it.
It's part of the democratic parties socialist government agenda. Increase the size and power of government. Redistribution of health, at some point they would like to redistribute the wealth. The next natural step after socialism is communism. Universal healthcare is all bad for our country.
Good for you. Perhaps if you can grow your own food, create your own climate system and generate all your own power and not pollute the air or land the rest of us use, maybe you could make a valid argument for not having to pay any tax or system.
Until then you are a part of this country, this world and their respective economies and your decisions impact the lives of others while you believe it or not.
Where did he ever say he didn't want to pay any taxes? He simply saying its not his responsibility to pay for someone else's healthcare. It's pretty straight forward.
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But what exactly is Universial Socialized health care? Everyone gets the same health care even if they work or not regardless of their income or health status, and this is provided somehow by the Goverment? Just trying to get my head around the whole thing. Does this work for just general health stuff or for all kinds of the elective stuff people are so fond of these days. Sorry if I didn't read allll the posts on this thread.
