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Old 02-19-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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An excellent summation of the more prominent issues. The author does a good job pointing out what our founding fathers never foresaw... and which they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honors to prevent.


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-overreach--obamacare-vs-the-constitution/2012/02/16/gIQAmupcIR_story.html


Overreach: Obamacare vs. the Constitution


by Charles Krauthammer
Published: February 16


Give him points for cleverness. President Obama’s birth control “accommodation” was as politically successful as it was morally meaningless. It was nothing but an accounting trick that still forces Catholic (and other religious) institutions to provide medical insurance that guarantees free birth control, tubal ligation and morning-after abortifacients — all of which violate church doctrine on the sanctity of life.

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Old 02-20-2012, 09:48 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The people who founded the country did it with the idea that government would be a relatively small and unimportant part of everyone's lives, except for the few that were actually policitians. The whole idea was that people would be free to run their own lives and sink or swim by their own decisions, helping their neighbors when needed, learning from their own mistakes, trying again etc.

The government was there only to do things private citizens or groups could NOT do - dealing with foreign countries, national defense, dispassionate criminal pursuit and prosecution, setting national standards etc. And even most of those things were to be done at the most local levels, with the Federal govt's purpose only to handle the matters that even local or state govts couldn't.

The Constitution was written accordingly, giving the Fed only the powers that"the States or the People" couldn't handle at all. And that wasn't very many. It was forbidden all else, though the states and people had all other authority to do the rest.

So many parts of Obamacare (and much of the rest that the Fed has intruded on today) flies in the face of those ideas.

This is a good thing to keep in mind - each time you examine some new (or not so new) thing the Fed govt is to do, this will give you some pointers about whether it is unconstitutional.

And remember that the issue is not whether you think the govt can do it BETTER than the People. It's whether the people can do it AT ALL. If they can, however imperfectly, then the Fed govt is forbidden to "help".
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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An excellent summation of the more prominent issues. The author does a good job pointing out what our founding fathers never foresaw... and which they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honors to prevent.
Since you love the Founding Father's opinions so much, I take it you want to take God off of currency and remove the other references to God in government that they intentionally avoided. Is that your thoughts here or do you just like the FF's when their opinion is convenient for you.
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Since you love the Founding Father's opinions so much, I take it you want to take God off of currency and remove the other references to God in government that they intentionally avoided. Is that your thoughts here or do you just like the FF's when their opinion is convenient for you.
1901 US 10


1864 CSA 20


No God on either.......didn't happen until 1957.
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:55 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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And remember that the issue is not whether you think the govt can do it BETTER than the People. It's whether the people can do it AT ALL. If they can, however imperfectly, then the Fed govt is forbidden to "help".
Where do you get that from? Wanna give us a cite or something? People form up militias all the time - an imperfect army, so lets get rid of the military. We have the right to bear arms, however imperfect our use of them may be, so lets do away with the police from Homeland Security to the FBI and on down to the local cop shop. People can copy the Ten Commandments out of the Bible and put them on view in their houses no matter how many misspellings there are, so why do you right wingers want government entities to have the Ten Commandments on display in government buildings? etc., etc., etc.

This has to be one of the silliest posts I've ever seen here and this place is infamous for stupid posts.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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People form up militias all the time - an imperfect army, so lets get rid of the military.
Were the militias alone able to defeat the British in the Revolutionary war?

Would they be able to defeat an invasion of the U.S. today?

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We have the right to bear arms, however imperfect our use of them may be, so lets do away with the police from Homeland Security to the FBI and on down to the local cop shop.
Would citizens be able to pursue and detain criminals dispassionately? Would they be able to chase them across state borders, to an area where the crook may be regarded as a conquering hero?
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This has to be one of the silliest posts I've ever seen here and this place is infamous for stupid posts.
And you managed to eclipse it without even trying. Anything else I can help you with?
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:21 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Were the militias alone able to defeat the British in the Revolutionary war?

Would they be able to defeat an invasion of the U.S. today?


Would citizens be able to pursue and detain criminals dispassionately? Would they be able to chase them across state borders, to an area where the crook may be regarded as a conquering hero?

And you managed to eclipse it without even trying. Anything else I can help you with?
My what short little memories and attention spans we have tonight. And I quote:

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And remember that the issue is not whether you think the govt can do it BETTER than the People. It's whether the people can do it AT ALL. If they can, however imperfectly, then the Fed govt is forbidden to "help".
(emphasis my own)

You can't have it both ways. Nice try, however.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:26 PM
 
Location: it depends
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Obama's vision is "Ask not what your country can do for you, demand it!"

Gerald Ford told us "That government which is big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have." Obamacare is a case study.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:39 PM
 
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I suggest that the author take the time to read Hamilton's Report on Manufactures.

http://www.constitution.org/ah/rpt_manufactures.pdf
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:42 PM
 
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Gerald Ford told us "That government which is big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have." Obamacare is a case study.
The Affordable Health Care Act gives you nothing for which you do not pay and forces those who receive services for free, at the expense of others, to pay for what they may need. Which by the way used to be a Republican idea.
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