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Most of those "Democrats" and their supporters, switched to Republican after that. Most famous among them is Strom Thurmond. On the other hand many of the GOPers who supported it were in the Rockafeller Republican camp and were drummed out of the party by the time of Reagan.
And Strom changed his ways. He was even the FIRST Senator to have a black on his staff.
Originally Posted by Jadex What is blaming the previous president for all our problems, while ignoring the actions of the current president?
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Originally Posted by QuixoticHobbit
Typical slop for your trough from Faux News?
He asked a legitimate question! And you have the nerve to respond with this? If you think, the only people who are questioning this president are FOX listeners, you are sorely mistaken. I understand better why there's a complete disconnect from reality. It's utter nonsense and more rubish.
Well that's not completely true, there were many who were wiling to stick their neck our and most were Republicans but the point is still valid. The defection of African Americans from the Republican Party did indeed begin as a result of the Second Corrupt Bargain of 1877. Not only did it result in the removal of troops to enforce the 14th and 15th Amendments is resulted in the betrayal of African American's who had been elected to the House and Senate under the Republican banner and replaced by hook and by crook with reenstated former confederate Democrats.
Black Americans didn't defect from the Republican Party until FDR. It's true that the Republicans abandoned them in the 1870s, but the Democrats didn't do anything to pick them up. It's also important to note that even though the GOP took a sharp turn away from its Reconstruction policies, blacks continued to be an important voting bloc in the party. Senator Mark Hanna (a towering figure in the party in the 1890s) was able to wield so much power in this era because of the firm support of black Republicans.
Black Americans didn't defect from the Republican Party until FDR. It's true that the Republicans abandoned them in the 1870s, but the Democrats didn't do anything to pick them up. It's also important to note that even though the GOP took a sharp turn away from its Reconstruction policies, blacks continued to be an important voting bloc in the party. Senator Mark Hanna (a towering figure in the party in the 1890s) was able to wield so much power in this era because of the firm support of black Republicans.
That is true and I didn't state that the mass defection from the Republican Party occurred in the aftermath of the Compromise of 1877, but the beginnings of the crack between Republicans and their African American followers can be traced to that point.
Gonzales was the first Hispanic Attorney General in U.S. history, by Bush.
Colin Powell the first black Secretary of State, by Bush. Condi Rice the first black woman Secretary of State, by Bush. Justice Thomas is the second black justice, by Bush 1.
Current enough for you.
Funny thing-- alot of people who voted for Bush claim he is a liberal.
Originally Posted by Jadex What is blaming the previous president for all our problems, while ignoring the actions of the current president?
He asked a legitimate question! And you have the nerve to respond with this? If you think, the only people who are questioning this president are FOX listeners, you are sorely mistaken. I understand better why there's a complete disconnect from reality. It's utter nonsense and more rubish.
It is also a legitimate question when someone asks it in reverse. No one on the right ever seems to answer it though. Here's how it goes...
You blame the current President for all the nation's problems but you excuse his predecessor and absolve him aof any responsibilty for the pile of doodoo he left behind?
This the problem with current political discussions, rik. Obama became president weeks after the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. And yet, people want to generalize as if the state of the current economy is in any way a reflection of his policies. There was a time when honest men would laugh and call the person putting forth this argument a fool -- no matter what political affiliations they held. These days, it's just par for the course.
The problems with the economy accelerated because of his election and his policies, even before he began to implement them. Business people already know that spreading the wealth around is bad for the economy. Reagan inherited a bad economy but turned it around. W inherited a bad economy and then had 911 and he turned it around. Obama has not.
If we still had 8% unemployment in another four year of Obama would it be a reflection on his policies then, or would it still be Bush's fault?
Well... yeah. In retrospect, a lot of those "gains" turned out to be due to temporary bubbles. Eg, the tech bubble at the end of the 1990's, or the housing bubble during Bush's second term (which finally deflated just as he was leaving office).
There seems to be an implicit (sometimes explicit) argument in all these types of posts that if we just all voted for one particular party, things would be fantastic, and if we don't, they'll be terrible.
"Things" tend to be driven by far longer-term and wider-scale economic and social trends than any political party is capable of controlling, managing, or predicting.
I agree that there were bubbles that drove the economy in the years you are talking about. Some things are impossible to manage, like the internet bubble with irrational exuberance. Human nature cause that bubble and that is why there are cycles. But the housing bubble was caused by the government getting involved with housing, trying to provided homes for those that could not afford them. Big government was the problem. Both parties were to blame. The debt is also because of big government and both parties are to blame. But today only one party is for attacking the problem of big government.
The middle class did better when the tax rates were at their highest levels. (During the late 50's through early 70's). So lets take the tax code, and turn back the time to 1968.
Okay. Are you willing to take spending back to those levels too?
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