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Old 02-21-2012, 06:36 AM
 
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Another problem is that they make other, non-union people, earn more money. What gives them the right to do that?
Unions also hold the good/best employees back from negotiating better pay and benefits for themselves.
What gives them the right to do that?
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:40 AM
 
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Another problem is that they make other, non-union people, earn more money. What gives them the right to do that?

I wonder....do you ever really know what you are talking about? I have seen no evidence that you do.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:40 AM
 
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didn't the middle class come into existance along with unions? as unions decline, so does the middle class? I assume most of you are middle class? why would u be against unions? too much talk radio?...
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:42 AM
 
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didn't the middle class come into existance along with unions? as unions decline, so does the middle class? I assume most of you are middle class? why would u be against unions? too much talk radio?...
Thats a myth.
Competition for labor raised working conditions.
More have achieved middle class status through their own abilities than a union ever put them there.
Sorry to see some have such little faith in the American worker and choose to forward propaganda.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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>They limit personal freedom.

No matter how much better you are at your job than the next person, your compensation is the same.<

Let me fix this

They limit corporations ability to play games.

No matter how much better you are at your job than the next person, your compensation is better than the guy down the road working non union.

In the private sector, not working in a union environment is incredibly easy in todays world. Given that union jobs typically pay more and have better benefits along with being roughly 1 in 7 jobs, the line of people waiting for the union job is very long.

This is not to say they do not have major faults. The 90/10 rule will always come into play seems the biggest to me: The worst 10% of union workers will cause 90% of the problems both for the company and for the shop steward who has to protect that clown.

Nonetheless the people shouting loudest on these boards against unions are the ones saying Joe the laborer in a union is making too much because he would be making $7.25 an hour otherwise-oh wait we need to abolish the minimum wage since Joe is a stupid monkey and deserves $7.25 a day. Go live in a refrigerator box Joe.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:46 AM
 
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Thats a myth.
Competition for labor raised working conditions.
really? link me...
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:49 AM
 
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really? link me...
You need a link to see how competition raises the playing field? really?
Maybe some are better having the union do their heavy lifting for them .
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:55 AM
 
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didn't the middle class come into existance along with unions? as unions decline, so does the middle class? I assume most of you are middle class? why would u be against unions? too much talk radio?...
Let's assume you're right about the middle class. So what? I'm still against unions. Because I have principles.

This is the old liberal "why do people vote against their self interest" argument. Well, I know it is difficult for liberals to understand but conservatives actually value personal freedom. As shocking as it may be, I would rather have my freedom of association rights respected than make $3 more an hour.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:00 AM
 
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:05 AM
 
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dunno, when I worked (non union job)my pay was crap, and my employer trampled all over my freedom. my wife is in a quasi union and loves it...plus she makes 6x more than I did...
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