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Old 02-22-2012, 04:06 PM
 
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Actually, that is the issue for this thread (check the title). As for speculation, did you know we were talking about oil prices here? No? So much for your ideas of "non-answer" when the problem is really in getting a clue about the title of the thread and what it entails. But good to see that, for a change, right wingers aren't claiming that Obama is causing lower oil supply but that supply is "too much" and yet prices are high. Liars.

On a more serious note, you say (correct me if I'm wrong):
1- Most of it is due to being an election year (a conspiracy theory)
2- Speculation is secondary cause

Correct? So, does this apply to 2008 prices as well? It was an election year and speculation was a concern.
You switched my #1 and #2 around and you added the red above - but both are possibilities.

What's up with the manipulation of what I posted? You can't copy/paste? I didn't state anything about conspiracies, or secondary causes. WTH??
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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There really is not a whole lot a president can do about gas prices, except to ensure his administration is do all it can to ensure our country's current and future production of oil can provide enough.

Bush could have pushed harder on opening up new oil reserves, and Obama has been doing all he can to reduce current and future oil production.

Obama is lucky to be riding on the coat tails of the efforts from every former administration, to provide us with enough oil. Future production of fossil fuels will be severely lessened due to Obama's anti-fossil fuel policies, and why not, the head of the energy department, interior department and EPA all hate fossil fuels, and are doing all they can to slow or halt production.
Catch up! America has been exporting petroleum products at the highest rate in history. Read the many previous posts that discuss this.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:31 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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You guys change the rules as you go along.
What rules did i change?

On a related note-

http://www.mrc.org/bias-numbers/netw...ore-bush-obama
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The question for you... were you among those who blamed the President in 2008 as you're doing now?
Were YOU?
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Old 02-22-2012, 05:39 PM
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Serious question (okay, not really, since I know it won't be addressed):

Why shouldn't we be looking at the causes of high gas prices under Bush and the causes of high gas prices under Obama, and then assigning blame based on the facts? Why is that somehow off limits according to the right wingers here?

Trying to paint liberals as hypocrites (while engaging in hypocrisy themselves) by declaring all facts - other than the person in office and price at the pump - out of bounds is absurd. It's like saying that because one guy set his house on fire to collect the insurance money, all house fires must have been set by homeowners looking to cash in, and anyone who disagrees is a hypocrite. Now, we're not actually allowed to look at why a house caught on fire. It couldn't possibly have been electrical, or a gas leak, or a clogged chimney, or a candle carelessly left too close to the curtains. No no, it must be the case that the homeowner torched the place intentionally. Except, of course, when said homeowner is a Republican, in which case the fire was completely out of his hands, even if he was caught with a gas can in one hand and a box of matches in the other.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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So, you're saying that those accusing Bush/Cheney of higher prices were right? Because that is the stance you've taken now.

Yawn...

Obama
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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I think that Obama's energy policies have affected the price of gasoline far more than Bush's ever did. Add in the cost of all the failed green energy companies the government has given money to and it makes for disaster.

I am sure the Liberal Sucktards will disagree but considering that the invent pretty much everything, I will not be surprised. The only interesting thing out of all of this will be to see how the Idiot-In-Chief spins it or blames Bush for it.
You can't forget it was Clinton that originally signed the Commodities Modernization Act of 2000. If it wasn't for that jewel, oil would be $50/barrel and gas under $2.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:23 AM
 
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During the housing boom gas prices were high because almost all of products in building a modern house are either made by oil or brought to the site with oil. What's driving the current gas prices is a bit different. We stopped using a food source for gasoline which is a good thing and we're agitating places where the particular oil we need for our lifestyles comes from. It's two different reasons for the prices that we're seeing.

On a side note you can by a crotch rocket these days and get 60 MPG if you're really worried about it and have a little fun while you're at it. See how easy it is to solve that addiction if you're just a little flexible and less addicted to your 30 ft dually with matching trailers that you take every with you?
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:37 AM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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High 'gas' (you mean petrol, there's no such thing as gasoline) prices are the result of peak oil. Nothing more. I suppose it fuels a degree of market speculation.

Last edited by archineer; 02-23-2012 at 04:00 AM..
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:55 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Obamy should just call out his pal Soros and guys at Goldman to lower the prices to $3 until elections and he'll promise not to enact any meaningful Wall St reform.
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