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Old 02-22-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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For those of you discrediting Obama's job numbers because of the labor force participation rate. In Regans third year he had a similiar partcipation rate.

at 63.9 while Obama's 63.7, so I guess Regan employment rate was faked as wel

In feburary of 1983 Regan had a participation rate of 63.7

Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
NEVER, EVER mention 0b0mba in the same sentence as Ronald Reagan.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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what are you talking about in jan 1980 it was 64..0
in jan 1983 it was 63.9.

Im comparing the 1st three years because Obama has only been in office for three years.
Reagan took office in Jan 1981, so Jan 1980 is irrelevant. Just go to the BLS page I linked. Where is says 'change output options' plug in '1983' for 'from' year; default 'to' year is 2012, so leave that unchanged. Then click 'go' to produce new graph.

That's what I'm talking about. The rate went sharply up during the Reagan years. It went down a little around the time of HW Bush, then up again, albeit less sharply so, under Clinton. It peaked around 2000, declined under W Bush, and fell off the table under Obama.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:13 PM
 
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More government jobs have been eliminated under Obama than any President since World War 2 and he is called a socialist. The world is upside down.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:21 PM
 
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History, and learning from it, ain't grasping straws... only those who have nothing left want to avoid History and perspective, at any cost.
Picking out one stat from 3 decades ago that happens to match a similar stat from today and using that to say "See Obama's labor stats are fine" is notlearning from history. Sorry but that dog don't hunt.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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More government jobs have been eliminated under Obama than any President since World War 2 and he is called a socialist. The world is upside down.
You can't have it both ways. He says he saved or created 3 million jobs. Most of them were government jobs.
He is a socialistic president. He has tried to socialize healthcare and the auto industry. He has tried to redistribute the wealth by increasing taxes on the earners and giving more gov't services to the non workers. I don't know why you would be upset by this. You love it don't you?
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Reagan took office in Jan 1981, so Jan 1980 is irrelevant. Just go to the BLS page I linked. Where is says 'change output options' plug in '1983' for 'from' year; default 'to' year is 2012, so leave that unchanged. Then click 'go' to produce new graph.

That's what I'm talking about. The rate went sharply up during the Reagan years. It went down a little around the time of HW Bush, then up again, albeit less sharply so, under Clinton. It peaked around 2000, declined under W Bush, and fell off the table under Obama.
There is quite a contrast on that chart from a successful presidency to a failed presidency. And during this time Reagan was building up the military and defeating the USSR while Obama is decimating the military. Americans were uplifted by their president in the 80's after the other loser, Carter. These days Americans think we are going in the wrong direction.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:47 PM
 
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You can't have it both ways. He says he saved or created 3 million jobs. Most of them were government jobs.
He is a socialistic president. He has tried to socialize healthcare and the auto industry. He has tried to redistribute the wealth by increasing taxes on the earners and giving more gov't services to the non workers. I don't know why you would be upset by this. You love it don't you?
Under Obama's economic policies, the private sector has thrived while the public sector has shrunk.

CARPE DIEM: Today's Employment Report: Since Jan. 2010, -500k Government Jobs, +2.5 Million Private Jobs

Since Jan 2010, the private sector has created +2.5 Million Jobs and the public sector has eliminated 500k jobs.

Now Obama himself (or any President) has very little effect on the labor market but their policies can make a big difference. And the numbers clearly show the country is heading in the right direction.

As for the rest of your spiel about taxes and socializing healthcare. its all bull**** and i"m not going to bother responding to them.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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For those of you discrediting Obama's job numbers because of the labor force participation rate. In Regans third year he had a similiar partcipation rate.

at 63.9 while Obama's 63.7, so I guess Regan employment rate was faked as wel

In feburary of 1983 Regan had a participation rate of 63.7

Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
I was a tax payerunder Ronald Reagan, I knew what Ronald Reagan was about.
Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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For those of you discrediting Obama's job numbers because of the labor force participation rate. In Regans third year he had a similiar partcipation rate.

at 63.9 while Obama's 63.7, so I guess Regan employment rate was faked as wel

In feburary of 1983 Regan had a participation rate of 63.7

Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
That would be funny if you had any clue at all.

In February 1983, the UE rate was 11.3%.

The number of people not in the labor force was 63,858,000

The number of people unemployed was 12,382,000

The number employed was 97,265,000

The number of people age 16 years and older was 173,505,000

I would put all that together for you, but seeing how you can't even spell, I am absolutely certain that you have no knowledge of economics, so I don't see the point.

Discrediting...

Mircea

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what are you talking about...
We might ask the same question of you.

Querying...

Mircea
Don't believe hype about drop in unemployment claims
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_1...oyment-claims/

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In addition to people dropping out of the workforce there is the issue of "seasonally adjusting." I was going to crib from Charles Biderman on this, but why not just quote him:
The BLS each month reports two data series, but only one jobs number is reported by the media. Actual jobs outstanding, not seasonally adjusted, are down 2.9 million over the past two months. It is only after seasonal adjustments - made at the sole discretion of the Bureau of Labor Statistics economists that 2.9 million less jobs gets translated into 446,000 new seasonally adjusted jobs for January and December.
Some people have accused the Obama administration of skewing the numbers in its favor. It probably has, just like every other administration.
[Emphasis mine]

Just saying...


Mircea
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Under Obama's economic policies, the private sector has thrived while the public sector has shrunk.

CARPE DIEM: Today's Employment Report: Since Jan. 2010, -500k Government Jobs, +2.5 Million Private Jobs

...Now Obama himself (or any President) has very little effect on the labor market but their policies can make a big difference. And the numbers clearly show the country is heading in the right direction....

Not quite are you giving Obama credit here or not. Doe he have "very little effect," or did he make a "big difference."

The numbers at your link are encouraging, but I wonder how much Obama had to do with it. It appears that all public sector jobs are counted, including state & local. In my state (WA) state and local governments have cut a lot of jobs in the past 2 years. Not because of Obama's policies, but because they cannot run endless deficits (unlike DC) and with reduced tax revenue, they have had to make cuts. Keep in mind that this came after a spending hiring binge during the last 5-10 years.
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