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It's doubtful that the United States, as we know it, will ever be a Christian nation again. I hope I'm wrong, of course.
But I think it likely that there will be a Christian nation on American soil at some point in the future.
could you possibly give us a discription of this "Christian nation". What will it be that makes it a Christian nation? Will God consider it a Christian nation? What dissereces will it have than the rest of the non Christian nations, ETC.
Im truely interested in your answer because as I have said, there is no such thing as a Christian nation.Could I be wrong?????
I see a number of possibilities and convergences. It's possible that traditional religious believers of all persuasions will be forced, or at least "incentivized", to migrate to certain regions to live in freedom. Also, we are probably headed for some cataclysmic disaster the way things are going, and such events often precipitate mass conversions. Finally, persecution itself leads to mass conversions, as the Church is purified and the martyrs end up converting even their persecutors. That's how Christianity spread so quickly to begin with.
No you are wrong, christianity spread within the framework of small communities. It created a social network that slowly began to convert people starting with the most disenfranchised in society. And quickly might be pushing it just a bit, since it took near 300 years for it to even get enough following to be legalized. Christianity moved very very slowly contrary to what a lot of people think. Also the persecution of early christians is believed to be a bit blow out of proportion in terms of what really happened.
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore [ye] must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. (Rom 13:1-6)
Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? (Mat 22:17)....
They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. (Mat 22:21)
The word translated as "tribute" in those verses are Greek words which mean...taxes.
For a guy who wants to start a Christian nation, your attitude toward our government isn't very Christian.
Why would you think I disagreed with the verses you quoted? Have I told anyone not to pay their taxes? Have I been saying that our government is not legitimate and shouldn't be obeyed?
Just curious, stillkit: is it therefore your opinion that the American Revolution was an illegitimate revolt against a divinely established government?
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OK, I'm a Christian, I have NEVER faced persecution in this country. Please, someone tell me (fellow Christians) who has and how?
I'm adding on to my own post because I have been perscuted, but, it was never for my religion. It has been because of my gender, race, economic status, etc.
I'm adding on to my own post because I have been perscuted, but, it was never for my religion. It has been because of my gender, race, economic status, etc.
"Persecution" is a strong word. A case can be made that a soft persecution of Christianity is heating up in this country, as Obama's HHS mandate might prove, but I prefer to use "persecution" in a more conventional sense. You know - jails and labor camps, firing squads, dispossession, that kind of thing.
State-sponsored discrimination, disfavor, restrictions, handicaps, etc. do not always rise to the level of persecution.
"Persecution" is a strong word. A case can be made that a soft persecution of Christianity is heating up in this country, as Obama's HHS mandate might prove, but I prefer to use "persecution" in a more conventional sense. You know - jails and labor camps, firing squads, dispossession, that kind of thing.
State-sponsored discrimination, disfavor, restrictions, handicaps, etc. do not always rise to the level of persecution.
State-sponsored discrimination is pretty much as close to the definition of persecution as you can get. Religious persecution is the systematic mistreatment of individuals for their religious beliefs. If state sponsored discrimination does not meet that level I don't know what does.
Persecution is a strong word.... am I %%%%ING crazy?
Most likely.
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