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Old 02-24-2012, 01:37 PM
 
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When properly installed, a CNG unit is as safe if not safer than a gasoline car or truck. The question is not the safety of utilizing CNG it is the infrastructure that does not now currently exist.
IIRC, the company in which T. Boone Pickens is a major stakeholder has an existing deal with Pilot Truck Stops to install CNG for semis; however, they refuse to move forward without a major taxpayer based subsidy (see T Boone Pickens' history with taxpayer subisidies re: oil & windfarms). Cummins has already developed the engines (I believe now in production) to accept CNG.

Beyond trucking, CNG would also be a good option to help meet the fuel needs for heavy construction and farm equipment as well as commercial rail, IMO.

More than likely the greedy billionaire will try to get his way yet again in this campaign cycle just as he did in 2008. Pickens pulled the plug on those windfarms after he received the subsidies and instead drains the Ogalala Aquifer for profit (to sell to water starved TX).
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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IIRC, the company in which T. Boone Pickens is a major stakeholder has an existing deal with Pilot Truck Stops to install CNG for semis; however, they refuse to move forward without a major taxpayer based subsidy (see T Boone Pickens' history with taxpayer subisidies re: oil & windfarms). Cummins has already developed the engines (I believe now in production) to accept CNG.

Beyond trucking, CNG would also be a good option to help meet the fuel needs for heavy construction and farm equipment as well as commercial rail, IMO.

More than likely the greedy billionaire will try to get his way yet again in this campaign cycle just as he did in 2008. Pickens pulled the plug on those windfarms after he received the subsidies and instead drains the Ogalala Aquifer for profit (to sell to water starved TX).
There are also conversions available for current vehicles both public as well as commercial, but, in particular with commercial motor vehicles, if the infrastructure isn't in place the whole thing falls on it's face. If you can't fuel it, it isn't worth a flip. CNG burns cleaner than either gasoline or diesel and requires less maintenance. This in addition to lower operating costs makes it very attractive, but until you can get it at every truck stop and service station across the US it's kinda a mute point.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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the US is the Saudi Arabia of natural gas. IMO, Natural gas is the future.
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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When properly installed, a CNG unit is as safe if not safer than a gasoline car or truck. The question is not the safety of utilizing CNG it is the infrastructure that does not now currently exist.
Is that a money-back-guarantee that the vehicle will not explode when loaded with highly flammable compressed fuel dispersing your body parts over the entire State? Gasoline is not compressed, therefore it is infinitely safer than CNG.

I am extremely glad there is no "infrastructure" for this mobile bomb, and I will elect a legislature that ensures such stupidity is never propagated in Alaska.
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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I it's safer than you think.
CNG/LNG Safety
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I it's safer than you think.
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Actually, it is far more deadly than the eco-fanatics want you to believe. You are literally driving a bomb.

7 women among 12 killed in CNG wagon explosion | The Nation
Accident: Four people killed in CNG explosion – The Express Tribune
15 killed in road accident in central Pakistan - Xinhua | English.news.cn
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Mainly because those right now with the corner on the market and ability to bring CNG to the market infrastructure are demanding huge government subsidies in order to do so (see T. Boone Pickens).

see above
There you went and exposed old T. Boone for what he really is.

I just don't understand why people think it is so easy to make that switch. I remember those old attempts to use 85% corn products and how far between stations with that stuff were. Hell, many city taxi companies were using CNG in all their vehicles when I was a boy. Somehow it never really caught hold. I bet that old T. Boone was involved in it all the way.
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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IIRC, the company in which T. Boone Pickens is a major stakeholder has an existing deal with Pilot Truck Stops to install CNG for semis; however, they refuse to move forward without a major taxpayer based subsidy (see T Boone Pickens' history with taxpayer subisidies re: oil & windfarms). Cummins has already developed the engines (I believe now in production) to accept CNG.

Beyond trucking, CNG would also be a good option to help meet the fuel needs for heavy construction and farm equipment as well as commercial rail, IMO.

More than likely the greedy billionaire will try to get his way yet again in this campaign cycle just as he did in 2008. Pickens pulled the plug on those windfarms after he received the subsidies and instead drains the Ogalala Aquifer for profit (to sell to water starved TX).
Golly, gal, you are sure holding T. Boone up for what he is. That wind farm gig was more of a scam than anything and he followed it with the water drain.
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:38 PM
 
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Is that a money-back-guarantee that the vehicle will not explode when loaded with highly flammable compressed fuel dispersing your body parts over the entire State? Gasoline is not compressed, therefore it is infinitely safer than CNG.

I am extremely glad there is no "infrastructure" for this mobile bomb, and I will elect a legislature that ensures such stupidity is never propagated in Alaska.
You realize that Fire Departments are instructed to respond to accidents involving hybrid and EVs in haz-mat suits, right?"

My 10 yr. old SUV which I cannot drive again due to the price of gas is infinitely more safe than a little Smart Car or Mini Cooper too.

No mode of transportation is going to be 100% safe and there will be a learning curve with the newer fuels just as there has been with traditional autos.
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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You realize that Fire Departments are instructed to respond to accidents involving hybrid and EVs in haz-mat suits, right?"

My 10 yr. old SUV which I cannot drive again due to the price of gas is infinitely more safe than a little Smart Car or Mini Cooper too.

No mode of transportation is going to be 100% safe and there will be a learning curve with the newer fuels just as there has been with traditional autos.
No, I was not aware, although, it does make sense considering the nickel metal hydride batteries produce toxic fumes, and could potentially explode, when on fire. Lithium-ion batteries are not any better either. If either one catches on fire they can both produce hydrogen gas. Throwing water on a lithium-ion battery fire will only intensify the fire, and even the dry chemical fire-extinguishers have no effect.

I will stick with the tried and tested, good old-fashioned gasoline combustion engine. It may not be 100% safe, but it is certainly safer and far less polluting than any of the alternatives.
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