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Old 02-26-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Below are two videos.

The first video shows Bush promoting clean/alternative energy during his 2007 State of the Union address. Notice how Bush receives a standing ovation from both the Republicans and the Democrats concerning this.

The second video shows Obama promoting clean/alternative energy during his 2012 State of the Union address. Notice how the Republicans remain mute while the Democrats applaud.

The clean energy proposals are essentially the same.

I also threw in a third video of Bush's 2008 State of the Union address during which he supports the theory of climate change and again receives applause from the Republicans.


2007 State of the Union President Bush Energy - YouTube


State of the Union 2012: Clean Energy and Job Creation - YouTube


STATE OF THE UNION '08: Bush on Energy & Climate Change - YouTube
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Reality
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Thanks for proving that GWB and Obama are cut from the same cloth, I'm still trying to figure out why libs hated Bush with such a passion but love Obama for doing pretty much the same exact things.
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Sale Creek, TN
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Thanks for proving that GWB and Obama are cut from the same cloth, I'm still trying to figure out why libs hated Bush with such a passion but love Obama for doing pretty much the same exact things.
Oh no you didn't. You just called out the Democrats for partisan politics, how dare you.
Don't get me wrong, both sides play partisan politics. Neither side will admit to it. Both will point fingers at the other saying they do.
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:41 AM
 
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Oh come on, Bush abd Republicans want that through a Demcracy meanwhile Obama and Democrats want it through a dictatorship/tyranny and the courts.

Obama has succeeded with all kinds of radical socialism while in office. You can NOT compare the two styles.

Republicans are of the people, Democrats think people are stupid and want to tell them what to do through laws and taxes.
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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Oh come on, Bush abd Republicans want that through a Demcracy meanwhile Obama and Democrats want it through a dictatorship/tyranny and the courts.

Obama has succeeded with all kinds of radical socialism while in office. You can NOT compare the two styles.

Republicans are of the people, Democrats think people are stupid and want to tell them what to do through laws and taxes.
Wasn't that the entity that selected Bush as POTUS in the first place?
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Oh come on, Bush abd Republicans want that through a Demcracy meanwhile Obama and Democrats want it through a dictatorship/tyranny and the courts.

Obama has succeeded with all kinds of radical socialism while in office. You can NOT compare the two styles.

Republicans are of the people, Democrats think people are stupid and want to tell them what to do through laws and taxes.
Oh please, republicans have never been of the people, they are only of the rich and big oil. they could careless about "the people". Republicans have shown their hypocrisy thru those videos. Vote republicans if you like the party of hypocrisy.
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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Default An Excerpt for Yesterday's WaPo That Deals With This...

What ‘left’ and ‘right’ really mean - The Washington Post


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Consider the partywide flips and flops of just the past few years:

— Supporting a temporary, deficit-financed payroll-tax cut as a stimulus measure in 2009, as Republican Sen. John McCain and every one of his colleagues did, put you on the right. Supporting a temporary, deficit-financed payroll tax-cut in late 2011 put you on the left. Supporting it in early 2012 could have put you on either side.

— Supporting an individual mandate as a way to solve the health-care system’s free-rider problem between 1991 and 2007 put you on the right. Doing so after 2010 put you on the left.

— Supporting a system in which total carbon emissions would be capped and permits traded as a way of moving toward clean energy using the power of market pricing could have put you on either the left or right between 2000 and 2008. After 2009, it put you squarely on the left.

— Caring about short-term deficits between 2001 and 2008 put you on the left. Caring about them between 2008 and 2012 put you on the right.

— Favoring an expansive view of executive authority between 2001 and 2008 put you on the right. Doing so since 2009 has, in most cases, put you on the left.

— Supporting large cuts to Medicare in the context of universal health-care reform puts you on the left, as every Democrat who voted for the Affordable Care Act found out during the 2010 election. Supporting large cuts to Medicare in the context of deficit reduction puts you on the right, as Republicans found out in the 1990s, and then again after voting for Representative Paul Ryan’s proposed budget in 2011.

— Decrying the filibuster and considering drastic changes to the Senate rulebook to curb it between 2001 and 2008 put you on the right, particularly if you were exercised over judicial nominations. Since 2009, decrying the filibuster and considering reforms to curb it has put you on the left.

— Favoring a negative tax rate for the poorest Americans between 2001 and 2008 could have put you on the right or the left. In recent years, it has put you on the left.

I don’t particularly mind flip-flops. Consistency is an overrated virtue. But honesty isn’t. In many of these cases, the parties changed policy when it was politically convenient to do so, not when conditions changed and new information came to light.

There are exceptions, of course. It’s reasonable to worry about short-term deficits during an economic expansion and consider them necessary during a recession. That’s Economics 101.

But nothing happened to explain the change from 2006, when the individual mandate was a Republican policy in good standing, to 2010, when every Senate Republican, including those who still had their names on bills that included individual mandates, agreed it was an unconstitutional assault on liberty. Nothing, that is, but the Democrats’ adopting the policy in their health-care reform bill.
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Oh please, republicans have never been of the people, they are only of the rich and big oil. they could careless about "the people". Republicans have shown their hypocrisy thru those videos. Vote republicans if you like the party of hypocrisy.
Why would any thinking person condemn the actions of politicians in one party while condoning the same actions in another?
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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The individual mandate is solid proof of {R} hypocrisy they were for it at one point including Newt. Then all of the sudden they are vehemently against it and discovered that it was unconstitutional, did the constitution change? No, just their view did since the other party was implementing it into law and would get credit. Our leaders have no principle, I was against that idea then and still against it now. The SC this summer will rule against the mandate and them hypocrite {R}s will say " see we were right it is unconstitutional" And their duped base will eat it up like a steak sandwich
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Thanks for proving that GWB and Obama are cut from the same cloth, I'm still trying to figure out why libs hated Bush with such a passion but love Obama for doing pretty much the same exact things.
+1

W Bush left office with approval ratings in the 20's because he had lost the support of conservatives due to his liberal policies such as this 'green jobs' effort. But in spite of having, (as OP admits), similar policies to Obama, Bush never gained the support of the left. So at the end he pretty much had nobody behind him.

The moral of the story is that conservatives largely reject 'green jobs' boondoggles regardless of who puts them forth, while liberals support or reject, depending who gets to control the flow of pork dollars.
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