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Old 02-26-2012, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Oh Jesus, here we go again.

FULL STORY

Republicans in the state forced through a bill through the Republican controlled house that would outlaw all abortions, including late term.

The Democrats in the state Senate voted against that bill because it restricted ALL abortions.

If Republicans had passed a bill that only outlawed late term abortions, the future President would have gone along with that.

But, as is usually the case, a bill was passed for political games, with no real hope of making it to law. Kind of like Republicans with their asinine "budget" bills, that are partisan politics only, when they aren't trying to pass a budget, they simply know that the Senate won't even take a look at them.

Lets be realistic here.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:28 AM
 
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Illinois’ preexisting protections were “loophole-ridden” and only applied to babies who were considered to have “sustainable survivability,” leaving pre-“viable” newborns unprotected.

The Chicago Tribune reported that “prosecutors in IL entered into a consent decree in 1993 agreeing not to prosecute doctors for apparent or alleged violations of the law based on ‘born alive’ definitions or other definitions.

A de facto legalization of infanticide under certain conditions was already in place in Illinois, and Obama’s votes blocked measures to end it.
You know abortion is legal in this country, right? 1973 called and they want their argument back.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:29 AM
 
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I see no factual information, e.g. links in here to support the OP's post.
Then do some research and educate yourself. Everything in the OP is 100% true and accurate. Of course, I already know that it doesn't matter to you. Obama could be videotaped molesting a child and you'd explain it away. Because after all, those evil Republicans are worse.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Oh Jesus, here we go again.

FULL STORY

Republicans in the state forced through a bill through the Republican controlled house that would outlaw all abortions, including late term.

The Democrats in the state Senate voted against that bill because it restricted ALL abortions.

If Republicans had passed a bill that only outlawed late term abortions, the future President would have gone along with that.

But, as is usually the case, a bill was passed for political games, with no real hope of making it to law. Kind of like Republicans with their asinine "budget" bills, that are partisan politics only, when they aren't trying to pass a budget, they simply know that the Senate won't even take a look at them.

Lets be realistic here.
Thanks for posting the truth instead of political propaganda the OP was pushing.
Obama and the democrats did the right thing.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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Oh Jesus, here we go again.

FULL STORY

Republicans in the state forced through a bill through the Republican controlled house that would outlaw all abortions, including late term.

The Democrats in the state Senate voted against that bill because it restricted ALL abortions.

If Republicans had passed a bill that only outlawed late term abortions, the future President would have gone along with that.

But, as is usually the case, a bill was passed for political games, with no real hope of making it to law. Kind of like Republicans with their asinine "budget" bills, that are partisan politics only, when they aren't trying to pass a budget, they simply know that the Senate won't even take a look at them.

Lets be realistic here.
Nice revisionist history, LOL. Do you really believe that's what happened?
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Then do some research and educate yourself. Everything in the OP is 100% true and accurate. Of course, I already know that it doesn't matter to you. Obama could be videotaped molesting a child and you'd explain it away. Because after all, those evil Republicans are worse.
Except that he left out the fact that Republicans weren't just trying to outlaw late term, but ALL abortions in the same bill.

When you walk to a car lot, and tell them "Look, I'm only going to offer you 10 dollars for this new Mustang, and its either 10 dollars or nothing", they are going to tell you to walk.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Nice revisionist history, LOL. Do you really believe that's what happened?
According to Politifact, an independent fact-checking organization that looked into similar claims made by former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum on the campaign trail, Obama voiced his opposition to the new legislation as a state senator because it would have given legal status to fetuses and would thus have been struck down by the courts, and because Illinois already had laws to ensure infants who survived abortions would be given medical attention.

FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com

Read it and weep, the same stupid law that failed in Virginia and Mississippi. Fetuses are not humans, period. And that is what the law was saying.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Then do some research and educate yourself. Everything in the OP is 100% true and accurate. Of course, I already know that it doesn't matter to you. Obama could be videotaped molesting a child and you'd explain it away. Because after all, those evil Republicans are worse.
Actually, Memphis did a good job of presenting the information. The situation in his post is as I recall it.

To accuse me of approving of child molestation is a dirty, low blow. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Illinois’ preexisting protections were “loophole-ridden” and only applied to babies who were considered to have “sustainable survivability,” leaving pre-“viable” newborns unprotected.

The Chicago Tribune reported that “prosecutors in IL entered into a consent decree in 1993 agreeing not to prosecute doctors for apparent or alleged violations of the law based on ‘born alive’ definitions or other definitions.

A de facto legalization of infanticide under certain conditions was already in place in Illinois, and Obama’s votes blocked measures to end it.
Abortion is entirely the business only of the pregnant woman and and her doctor. Any law that underlines and reinforces this is a good law and in keeping with the tenets of the Constitution and should be voted for, period, end of sentence.

The pregnant woman is the one who has the rights here. Why would any politician who claims to want government control out of our lives possibly vote any differently, unless of course, they are liars to begin with?

This also begs the question, if you want to legislate all these children into being, are you also willing to take financial responsibility for feeding, clothing, housing, educating, and providing medical care for them until they reach majority status? if not, then you are a hypocrite who cares nothing for anything but having their own way, certainly not for the interest of the human beings affected by your legislation.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:38 AM
 
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According to Politifact, an independent fact-checking organization that looked into similar claims made by former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum on the campaign trail, Obama voiced his opposition to the new legislation as a state senator because it would have given legal status to fetuses and would thus have been struck down by the courts, and because Illinois already had laws to ensure infants who survived abortions would be given medical attention.

FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com

Read it and weep, the same stupid law that failed in Virginia and Mississippi. Fetuses are not humans, period. And that is what the law was saying.
First of all, Politifact is not "independent" by any stretch of the imagination. It is funded by the Annenberg group, which is a liberal think tank that gets most of its support from George Soros and related entities.

Second, your own link says "Obama voiced his opposition to the new legislation as a state senator because it would have given legal status to fetuses and would thus have been struck down by the courts, and because Illinois already had laws to ensure infants who survived abortions would be given medical attention."

So, he voted against a bill that would have required doctors to treat babies who survived abortions. I don't care what this idiot's rationale for the vote is, bottom line is he voted for infanticide.
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