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Old 02-26-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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093_SB1082


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1 AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive.

2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
3 represented in the General Assembly:

4 Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding
5 Section 1.36 as follows:

6 (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new)
7 Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant.
8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any
9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various
10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person",
11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant
12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any
13 stage of development.
14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with
15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the
16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that
17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion
18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of
19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary
20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been
21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction
22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean
23 section, or induced abortion.
24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall
25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate
26 protection under the law.

27 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon
28 becoming law.



This would not make abortion illegal. Fetuses are killed while still in the mother. Some survive the abortion and Obama thinks it's OK to kill them.

Before commenting please actually read the bill.

Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of SB1082
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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Do y'all remember Howard Dean? While chairman of the Democratic party or when asked the question while a candidate said no doctor would do what is being suggested here. He said any doctor who would murder a living child should lose his license to practice medicine.
Some of you people think so little of fellow man. Not all us of are sitting around waiting to kill unborn babies. No one that I know who supports choice, supports abortion. We just think it is between the women, her God family and doctor.
I'll go along with no abortion if you also disarm the police, disband the military and do away with capital punishment. By God, if we are going to be PRO life, let's be pro life.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: California
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People see what they want. A bad bill is a bad bill. We can't vote for things just becasue they contain something we want if the rest of it is garbage. Don't blame the one who votes, blame the one who wrote it that way.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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There should be a time limit for abortions...... probably 8 weeks. Abortions should not be performed after that time unless their are problems with the fetus or a real risk to the mother but early abortion should be a woman's choice.
Why?
Why is this issue any business of yours?

It's not your call.


You get pregnant, you do what you want with your body.
Keep your opinions off of mine.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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This bill had nothing to do with whether abortion should be legal or not. It has nothing to do with whether late term abortion is legal or not (we know Obama loves that). It is about killing a living baby that is outside the womb. The bill would have made this murder illegal. Barry voted against it. Not only did he vote against it, he was chairman of the committee. We know that Barry voted present on most bills but he was very decisive on infanticide.

Proof Obama Supported Infanticide / Text of the Amended Illinois Born-Alive Infants Protection Bill (SB 1082; March 13, 2003); Essentially Identical To The Federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act Enacted In 2002 / Live Birth Abortions Video - YouTu
Just the written bill again.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Why?
Why is this issue any business of yours?
Whoooooaaaaa .... hold on........ I am Pro-Choice........ always have been and always will be BUT there is a big difference between aborting a early developing embryo and a fully formed viable baby.
When i was studying medicine in London i saw what is called "destructive operations" performed on fully formed babies because they have died in the womb in bad positions etc and must be disected in the womb to get them out without risks to the pregnant mother. They are awful but necessary. To perform this kind of abortion on a living baby is wrong on many many levels and the psychological trauma for the mother is absolutely awful.
What i am saying is that a woman has the right to a abortion but after a certain period the embryo is a living being and to abort it is now not a decission for anyone unless there are clear medical reasons to do so.
Go watch a "destructive operation" and then tell me your thoughts.

It's not your call.
I have never said it is but like with everything, proper guidelines must be in place when dealing with a fully formed viable life.

You get pregnant, you do what you want with your body.
Keep your opinions off of mine.
I have said over and over that a abortion is the choice of the mother and men get it easy and can just walk away from a unplanned pregnancy but there comes a point in the development of a human embryo where it is no longer just undefined cells and that becomes a completely different ball game as far as termination of a pregnancy.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Oh Jesus, here we go again.

FULL STORY

Republicans in the state forced through a bill through the Republican controlled house that would outlaw all abortions, including late term.

The Democrats in the state Senate voted against that bill because it restricted ALL abortions.

If Republicans had passed a bill that only outlawed late term abortions, the future President would have gone along with that.

But, as is usually the case, a bill was passed for political games, with no real hope of making it to law. Kind of like Republicans with their asinine "budget" bills, that are partisan politics only, when they aren't trying to pass a budget, they simply know that the Senate won't even take a look at them.

Lets be realistic here.
Do a little homework before you start typing. This bill is NOT about late term abortion. It is about murdering living babies that are outside the womb.
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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He voted against a bill that was intended to undermine the Supreme Court RoevWade decision. Illinois already had laws protecting the life of a fetus in abortions where there was the potential ability of survival.
So now a baby that is alive outside the womb is called a fetus? How old does a baby have to be before you stop calling it a fetus? A week? A month? This abortion religion is really something!
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:00 PM
 
Location: California
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Do a little homework before you start typing. This bill is NOT about late term abortion. It is about murdering living babies that are outside the womb.
Then it should have been written that way, clearly, and without legal ambiguity in regards to abortion. I wonder why it wasn't?
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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I have said over and over that a abortion is the choice of the mother and men get it easy and can just walk away from a unplanned pregnancy but there comes a point in the development of a human embryo where it is no longer just undefined cells and that becomes a completely different ball game as far as termination of a pregnancy.
8 weeks is not your choice to make.
Once you get pregnant, then you choose.

You're not qualified to call 8 weeks the time.
The medical field says 24.
Where'd you get your med license?
You're pro-choice so long as they meet your requirements.
Tough *****.
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