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So you propose to have no limits and destroy everyone than to let people have lived a long life pass away My Father had a cardiac arrest at 88 and was brought back by the NHS in London after being dead for 10 mins. Was given a mytral valve replacement and a double bypass. He is now a healthy 90 year old and we are all extremely happy that he is still with us....... maybe you would have given up on your father and put it down to 'oh he's had a long life, let him die". I cherish all the time we spend together and our technology lets us do that.
You people are going to feel that absolute veracity of a self correcting rubber-band that's going to snap back and go way to the other extreme if you don't ease the tension. Whatttttttttttttttt?????????????????
You folks think you can pay your way out of evolution and natural selection and I got news for you, those are the laws of nature and man and they're why you're in the present form you are on this planet with even the slightest ability to comprehend what's going on around you and analyze it. The fact that you side with compassion over cold hard facts is admirable but to your own peril. There isn't enough money on the entire planet to curb evolution for forever and when you reach the breaking point things will be way way way worse than if you had allowed a slower unwinding of the rubber band to occur instead of going full blast into nutsoid land. So let's not give diabetics insulin and just let them die? "Natural selection" you know...... such a sad attitude.
I think you need to look into the mirror about who's GD naive.
Looked in the mirror.... the reflection was fine....
No, it hasn't been about that since HMO's came on the scene a few decades ago.
Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are joking...........right?
Although businesses pursued the HMO model for its alleged cost containment benefits, some research indicates that private HMO plans don't achieve any significant cost savings over non-HMO plans. Although out-of-pocket costs are reduced for consumers, controlling for other factors, the plans don't affect total expenditures and payments by insurers. A possible reason for this failure is that consumers might increase utilization in response to less cost sharing under HMOs.
This is a great example as to why a UHC is badly needed here.
With a UHC there is no need for any of these complicated calculations as to who pays what and how much and who funds what and which part the senior pays etc etc etc etc.
Medicare will be just a distant memory. This expensive part of health care is no longer needed, neither is medcaid, vet care or any other bolt on systems.
Every Citizen from before birth to the grave is included in health care. No need to wait for retirement to get a funded health system to give you health care.
No need to ask a employer if the company has a health care package.
Health care is yours from before you even take your first breath.
The Govt. funds the whole system and this is paid for by us in a small health care tax. No more searching for health schemes or ways to supplement yur health needs.
A UHC is simple for everyone....... turn up and get treated, 24 hours a day 7 days a week 52 weeks of the year...........simple.
No more laying in bed hoping you don't get sick or finding a lump and not going to get it sorted out because you have no health cover.
The medical professionals decide on your treatment, drug regime and recovery plan....... not the Govt. the Doctor and his team.
No more taking insurance companies to court to overturn a ruling that you can't have treatment..... just turn up and get treated.
This system is now used by the rest of the industrialised world and NONE of the Countries using it have gone bankrupt because of it in fact America's health system is more expensive per capita than using a UHC.
Every patient gets good health care rich or poor.........simple and also no individual goes bankrupt using it.
There are many many other advantages of a UHC but you can see that the uneeded complicated systems are removed, after all we just want to get health care not fly to the moon.
America could have the finest health system in the World with a UHC but with today's system the American health system is falling behind even much poorer countries......... Not good by anyones standards and nothing to keep or be proud of.
I work as a biller for 5 Home Health Agencies (in Fall River, Brighton and other parts of Mass).... The amount of paperwork that needs to be put together in order to get something paid by Medicare is ridiculous... I cannot wait til I have to deal with all the new bureaucracy!
I formerly worked as a Home Health Nurse for a Medicare Agency. I quit. Life is too short. I feel for you.
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Well then maybe they won't run to the first doctor that can replace their knee and just say yes not caring at all about the cost. Instead they may actually shop around and plot doctors against other doctors so that they can get a better value for their money. That's why you have affordable electronics these days... It's call competition.
Oh, for G*d's sake! For one thing, Medicare and all insurance providers pay the same amounts for the same surgeries. In fact, Medicare sets the bar. "Selling" health care isn't the same as selling computers.
Oh, for G*d's sake! For one thing, Medicare and all insurance providers pay the same amounts for the same surgeries. In fact, Medicare sets the bar. "Selling" health care isn't the same as selling computers.
If you're bored try calling around to other doctors and ask them if they're accepting new medicare patients.
Nothing could be worse for millions of Americans than the current health system...... it is controlled by huge insurance companies who don't pay or drop you when your health situation needs them the most and that is after paying a fortune in premiums for many years. It is in many cases work related and health care should NOT be associted with employment. It needs medicare/aid to cover the older citizens etc. It is more expensive per capita than Govt. funded health care. It only lasts for the time premiums are paid and has co-pays. It is not efficient. It does not cover pre existing conditions. It is a "rip off"
The affordable health care act is the first step towards America getting a good health care system for ALL American's. The creation of a Govt. funded health care system would mean no more expensive medicare/aid. No more insurance panels coming between you and your Doctor. No more Co pays. No more time limit on cover as it covers you from cradle to grave. No more pre existing conditions clauses or being dropped because of a chronic illness. No more expensive premiums as small tax would cover payments. Another very important aspect of creating a UHC in the USA is that it would probably get rid of unemployment virtually overnight........ it woud need every type of job to get it running and to keep it running, from cleaners to technicians to builders to drivers to security gaurds to cooks to technicians to nurses to doctors etc etc etc etc. It would also be the first real alternative to the Insurance companies so anyone still wanting private insurance would pay vastly reduced premiums.
Anyone who still wants a over priced, extremely selective Insurance based health system here defys belief.
The excuse of how do we pay for it is easy............
No more medicare/aid, vets care, employers having to pay for employees health cover meaning higher salaries to pay the small UHC tax. Renting hospital equipment to te private sector, Non America citizens or legal residents paying for treatment.
The Govt. does NOT come between a patient and his Doctor as the local health professionals run each areas health care trust not the Govt... they just finance it and oversea budgets and safety. This system works and works well but unfortunately the Big Insurance companies in America will not give up their mega mega buck monopoly on the health system here........ it is designed to make money for the CEO's and not for the heath or welfare of American's........... it's 2012 yet America has a 1950's health system with over 50,000 Americans dying each year just from lack of health cover or going bankrupt from medical bills..... Absolutely Elitist and Disgusting!
Disgusting and shameful
the first line of your post was so full of BS I could read no further...
Another way to put it...those big words were hurting your head.
You just railed on conservatives with a fifth grade education trying to interpret the constitution and then you summarily defend a lefty who can't manage to even string together a very basic structured paragraph, message or sentence?
Go talk to any healthcare professional and ask them what they think about the Government involvement in it and how much time they spend doing paperwork.
Long story short, it doesn't work. Medicare is not only bankrupt, but also suffers from an estimated 60 billion/yr fraud. America's broke folks. No more money for social spending.
All this bill did was pat special interests on the back to assure them they wouldn't lose theirs moving the whole thing toward Government healthcare.
Healthcare is extremely complex. Simply put the cost; however, is inflated by the system. There's no reason why it should cost $7 for a Tylenol at the Hospital. Don't worry Insurance pays for it.. It is designed for you to HAVE to have insurance.
decentralize to patient / provider and real insurance and we get something done. $7 tylenol doesn't sell for $7 if no one is going to buy it. Inflation throughout the system.
Very complex, but one thing is sure.. the Govt. did not lose in what they wanted.
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It is designed for you to HAVE to have insurance.
