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New York City does not represent every city, county, and state in the United States. If you want to open a lemonade stand with fewer regulations, choose another city.
This was only one segment of hour long show, over regualtion is major issue no matter where you live. What's your take on this segment from an older show?
New York City does not represent every city, county, and state in the United States. If you want to open a lemonade stand with fewer regulations, choose another city.
So equal protection under the law is just great if it applies to something like using marriage to legitimize sodomy between males but not so much when it comes to someone opening a lemonade stand, is that correct?
Or, would the same arguement apply to gay marriage that you apply to lemonade stands, if you don't like the laws where you are, move.
Given the rampant illiteracy of Democrats in particular as ity relates to regulations, they don't realize that burdensome regulations not only smothers job creators (remember hotel impresario Steve Wynn's comment regarding the 'wet blanket' Obama's rampaging regulators had suffocated our economy with?), but can also lead to higher prices and a lack of choices for everybody.
The CEO of CKE restaurants (Carls Jr/Hardees) recently remarked that a potential franchisee in Texas can go through the entire permitting process in six weeks, vs. six months in the no-longer 'Golden State'.
That's one more reason why the Lone Star State's economy continues to run circles around Governor Moonbeam's sputtering edition.
I am saying that the example is ridiculous. If it had been framed as some guy trying to open a sandwich shop it would have been better.
What if I really wanted to open a lemonade stand? If my skill was in squeezing lemons (no innuendos intended), you would still have me open up a sandwich shop just because because NYC is screwed up?
You didn't get the significance of the example, did you? I'll break it down for you. If even something as simple as a lemonade stand can get hit with this amount of oppressive regulations, how would it be like if someone wanted to open a sandwich shop?
except the big corporations the socialists really hate. (So ironically, it is actually helping the ones whom the socialists think it'll hurt, and hurting the ones they think it'll help.)
The Left supports big business and monopolies believing that they are protecting jobs and unions by doing so. If you read "Road to Serfdom" Hayek does explain how socialist end up creating massive corporations.
Did you look up why you have to do all of that and why those regulations are in place? Wait, I know the answer. Of course, not. That would take some common sense.
I'm not sure if you noticed, but New York is sort of the pillar of capitalism in the world.
As statist as you might be, I am sure that even you agree that this level of regulations help no one, except the big corporations the socialists really hate. (So ironically, it is actually helping the ones whom the socialists think it'll hurt, and hurting the ones they think it'll help.)
And why is it a ridiculous example? You have something against lemonade? I think it's tasty.
It is a ridiculous example. Lemonade stands are children's summer fun. They aren't really considered legitimate avenues of business, unless of course, you're serious about operating a series of lemonade stands.
In which case, nothing there is shocking. Food safety regulations, permits for operating a business? Those are pretty standard fare. The fire-extinguisher is perhaps interesting only for its shock value--what possible need is there in a lemonade stand.
Well, obviously, the regulations apply to food services. Lemonade falls into that.
Perhaps if he completed the application process instead of trying to be coy, I'd take the article seriously. Instead, it's "oh my, look how overburdened we all are." He can't make that argument unless he actually completes the application.
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The question is why is New York this way, or what can be done to make it better? There might be other places which are marginally better, but really, the rest of the US will also catch up with NY at some point. More and more regulations are being added every day, but zero repealed.
Glass-Stegal is still in business last I heard. You can't blanket cover every regulation as bad, it's asinine, nor can you honestly claim that every regulation that has ever passed has never been repealed.
Are there some regulations we could do without? Probably. The conservatives I've asked have trouble coming up with any, but I don't doubt there are some. Do we need regulations? Of course, it'd be irresponsible not to have public protections in place. That's the point of them, and more regulations are added necessarily as more problems are discovered. It makes sense we add more regulations.
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So how long will you keep running? At some point, businesses will start to leave the country itself, which is what you see manifesting itself as outsourcing.
I don't think Stossel has any plants to take his lemonade stand overseas. If he does, maybe he should just stay there.
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Why shouldn't he use it as an example? Last summer was filled with stories of government officials shutting down children's little stands for not having proper government permits.
Yeah, that's pretty insane, but it's a tremendous non-sequitur to go from children's lemonade stands being shut down (irresponsibly) to some kind of tirade against regulations of legitimate establishments. I want my sandwiches safe. Apparently you don't.
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So equal protection under the law is just great if it applies to something like using marriage to legitimize sodomy between males but not so much when it comes to someone opening a lemonade stand, is that correct?
Or, would the same arguement apply to gay marriage that you apply to lemonade stands, if you don't like the laws where you are, move.
You can't be as ignorant to think the civil liberties of people are the same as the health and safety regulations of a business. Maybe you are, who knows.
Businesses have different functions and as a result need different regulations. I wouldn't expect a sewage treatment facility to require the same food regulations as a a lemonade stand. As explained earlier, a stand like that isn't a legitimate business. If someone, like Stossel, was operating the business as a legitimate means of revenue instead of as a poorly executed political statement, the regulations would apply. The lemonade stand, as a food establishment, should be abiding by food safety laws. It's also a business, so it needs to pull the proper permits to operate and for inspection. None of the regulations he went through are out of the ordinary or unexpected in order to operate a food establishment.
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What if I really wanted to open a lemonade stand? If my skill was in squeezing lemons (no innuendos intended), you would still have me open up a sandwich shop just because because NYC is screwed up?
You didn't get the significance of the example, did you? I'll break it down for you. If even something as simple as a lemonade stand can get hit with this amount of oppressive regulations, how would it be like if someone wanted to open a sandwich shop?
It isn't significant because Stossel isn't being serious--he's making a political statement, and it's pretty shallow.
And name one of the regulations Stossel went through that you think is oppressive for a food service establishment. Stossel didn't complete the process. He should have, because it destroys the point he's trying to make when he won't follow through.
It was my understanding that for a long time government was good and was there to look out for me and the people. Although I still am for some regulations such as the EPA, FAA (essential things) it has become more clear that the government is getting too involved in people's lives. If this is what it takes to open a lemonade stand, is it any wonder why someone would not even bother to open a business in NYC?
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