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Still waiting. I know you like to wiggle out of actually saying something substantial in your thread, but you're the one who keeps bringing up this fact.
Ending WIC is not reasonable b/c there is ZERO proof that family, friends, charity, and churches could pick up the slack. As it is now, they can't keep up w/ the higher demand once people lost their jobs during the recession.
So, pray tell, what are you plans, BESIDES just ending WIC? Do you have any ideas at all of how to make it a more productive program? Reduce the number of irresponsible people on it? Instill a greater sense of responsibility on the masses? Note (I know it's hard for you to do since you just glance over my posts and shout how wrong and false they are) that I NEVER said that WIC has no irresponsible people collecting. But I ask how do you go after those people without hurting their children and risking their nutritional health?
Still waiting.......
Honestly, if you don't have a clue or any ideas, just say so.
That's the whole point. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. There shouldn't be a need for GOVERNMENT policy to be the standard bearer for imposing any sort of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. The PERSON....not the GOVERNMENT or a PROGRAM shoud be the impetus of being a RESPONSIBLE person!
You really don't get it do you? The PERSON. GOOD DECISIONS. GOOD PLANNING. RESPONSIBILITY.
Get Government out of the equation entirely!
I will not repeat myself again. Just because you don't understand thefundamentals doesn't mean that I will hold your hand and walk you through something that is so simple.
You were a WIC user right? Enough said. Your philosophy is engrained. And its quite clear why you have a problem pushing Personal Responsibility.
Yes, you are....You equate a car (a make believe car at that) with a baby, a child , a human....that makes you a Repug.
(The make believe car is in the driveway right now, a beautiful pearly blue, I will pull it in the stable with the others shortly). Want me to post a pic of the Bentley?
I am only looking at this from the financial aspect... I believe that it is everyone's responsibility to pay for there self-induced expenses... I don't make the rules, I just follow simple economics.
You pay for your expenses, I pay for mine. Easy.
AND as a Repug you only whine, you never offer a solution. THAT is so Repug.
I have a solution, but you don't like to listen to things you don't want to hear.
And demanding that people stop having inconvenient babies is NO solution....it's just a Repug wishing for some La-la Land Utopia....where they can live for free...like some bum...with NO responsibilities...
I was 100% responsible... I had a vasectomy a long time ago (done properly, both removing sections of the vas deferens, and stapling both sides. Cost me a whole $600. Consider what a child costs the rest of us. How selfish can you be?
Just because some people are stupid and can't keep there pants on should have NO repercussions on me.
And please do not drive your car on the freeway MY taxes paid for.
Actually, OUR taxes, which we all paid for, and I gladly did. And please don't ask me for more than $0.05 to pay for anything for you or your kids, including schooling.
AND as a Repug you only whine, you never offer a solution. THAT is so Repug.
And demanding that people stop having inconvenient babies is NO solution....it's just a Repug wishing for some La-la Land Utopia....where they can live for free...like some bum...with NO responsibilities...
"IFs" do NOT change human nature....so click your little red shoes together and whine and see where it gets ya...
I've stated my opinion on solutions all along.
Stop the checks.
Force people to take responsibility for themselves.
Have all the sex you want....pay for YOUR contraceptives, pay for YOUR children, pay for YOUR STD's.
Please provide the section in our constitution that allows for such programs.
YOU support YOUR family and I'LL support MINE.
Okay?
The gross assumption is that people of your ilk think that the government (we citizens) is responsible for supporting YOUR family.
So there has to be an amendment in the Constitution that states that we must show compassion to our fellow man. I think this was assumed when it was created...
It may be reduced (not sure about "greatly" in this recession), but the need will ALWAYS be there. Hence why the program can't be eliminated.
I must ask: Do you send your children to public school? Drive them to school on public roads? Have they ever taken out federal loans for college? If it's a yes to any of these, then, if I lived in your area, I would be supporting your family. I pay taxes that go towards things I don't use and even things I don't fully support, but I deal w/ it b/c that's part of being in a civilized society in a developed country where it's not "every man for himself".
How about if you just separate yourself from our current society and move to another, non developed country to make sure you, in no way, benefit from other people's taxes, okay? That way, you can be sure that no one else will benefit from yours.
YOU said NO taxes should go to feed children, YOU have argued this for pages and pages , YOU want to take away food from these "gifts" to die of starvation, YOU!
If we lived in the same school district MY taxes would go towards educating (or attempting to educate) YOUR brats....it's called living in a country, supporting your country, YOU can NOT survive on your own and never have YOU have USED things that other's taxes pay for ....you have what's called the "dog in the manger" syndrome...
The new leftie rally cry...."Nobody has ever made it on their own!"
It takes all responsibility from the individual.
YOU take care of YOURS. I won't EVER ask you for help with mine.
But it is not constitutional to provide these programs.
50 years of ever increasing poverty isn't enough to "prove" that YOUR way is not helping?
My way? Silly, the current state of welfare is far from "my way", not that you probably care. It seems like, in your mind, there's the left and the right and people that aren't conservatives are borderline socialists.
Fact: Before WIC or any other assistance program, many families had children they could not "afford."
Fact: If WIC goes away, plus any other form of assistance for the "poor", plenty of families will still have children they cannot "afford."
Fact: Teaching people does not mean they will learn.
Fact: Personal irresponsibility has been a staple of human life since the beginning. It is not going to go away.
Although I won't state as fact but: Many "higher educated and higher earning" people do not have enough kids to achieve replacement level for their respective nations. Hence, those countries are starting to DIE. They do have influxes of foreign people that tend to have many kids that they can't "afford." Look at Europe or Japan as example of places where birth rates suck. But of course that problem is for another debate.
Fact: The government wants you to have children whether you are conservative, Liberal, or somewhere in between. Otherwise society would break down.
So, in conclusion, that whole thing about "personal responsibility"...yeah good luck with that. You can preach it and preach it but people that don't want to hear won't. And they'll still have babies with assistance or without.
Sounds like a plan to me. Finger's crossed that no one you know ever has something unforeseen occur to them leaving them in a state in which they are starving or without a home.
Another leftie rally cry...."Wait until it happens to you!"
It may or it may not.
The government is NOT responsible. That's the point.
I will feed my poor neighbor if they need it, but not at the barrel of some bureaucrats rifle.
So the Constitution states that more money must be spent on the military than many other programs (welfare, education, transportation, etc) all put together? It states that some of the money can't be redistributed to other programs? That's curious, care to point that out please.
Defense spending is 14% of the budget, where pensions, healthcare and education combined are almost 50%.
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