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What's funny is most people that throw around the "AS" word never bothered to read past the high school history books about the Holocaust.
The propaganda was more than enough for them.
I've studied the Holocaust since childhood, WELL beyond high school textbooks - in fact, I don't even recall what we learned about it in high school. I've spoken one-on-one with survivors, visited the museum in Jerusalem, watched real-life footage... heck, I even walked through the Anne Frank house in Amsterdam, and both my parents & sister have personally visited a few of the camps in Eastern Europe. So the only one relying on propaganda is you, and I imagine you prefer sticking with the denial revisions in particular.
Btw, my late great-Uncle was an American soldier during WW2, and took a personal leave while in Europe to find our relatives who remained in Poland... he only found my great-Aunt and one of her brothers alive (at a recovery camp shortly after Auschwitz was liberated), while everyone else from her family - and a good percentage of her village - had been murdered in the camps. She could probably tell stories that would chill even your cold blood, starting with the repeated rapes and scientific experiments they conducted on her, leaving her permanently infertile. She was just 16 years old at the time of her liberation, btw. Is that enough information "outside of the book," or would you like me to continue?
Furthermore and unlike you, I don't deny ANY of the atrocities and records kept from that period... so I know how many non-Jews died there, and don't excuse or forgive that any more than the Jewish deaths. Actually, that's one of the reasons I'm such a strong supporter of gay rights - as they stood right beside my people in the camps, and understand what it means to be killed for something you cannot change. Do you support gay rights and acknowledge their deaths in the Holocaust, or was that "oversensitized" too?
Well, I see you got your answer.... just look at the support this guy got from EVERY neocon/Repug on CITY DATA... he just may get into office with their loyal support ...but we've had much worse and crazier Repugs in office....
I would love for these Holocaust denying clowns to confront some of the survivors and tell them they're liars. Of course, cowards don't follow through on such things.
I would love for these Holocaust denying clowns to confront some of the survivors and tell them they're liars. Of course, cowards don't follow through on such things.
Nope! But I'd love to see that too... my great-Aunt is old but in excellent health, and could probably still whoop some denier butt!!
From the reports I read, Elie Wiesel did a nice job of defending himself against that attacker not long ago. We are survivors, and truly live by the motto "never again."
P.S. To RPON, I'm an American first and forever. Not sure how Israeli support even came into this discussion, but whatever... nothing you say holds weight, anyway.
What's funny is guys like Norm Finkelstein get called "self loathing Jews" for trying to furnish any shred of objectivity in regards to the subject.
How is that funny? Jews can be deniers too, and their ethnic/religious background doesn't excuse them from stupidity. I don't even know who that guy is, but using objectivity though actual research (if that's what he does) is a far cry from claiming facts are lies.
I've studied the Holocaust since childhood, WELL beyond high school textbooks - in fact, I don't even recall what we learned about it in high school. I've spoken one-on-one with survivors, visited the museum in Jerusalem, watched real-life footage... heck, I even walked through the Anne Frank house in Amsterdam, and both my parents & sister have personally visited a few of the camps in Eastern Europe. So the only one relying on propaganda is you, and I imagine you prefer sticking with the denial revisions in particular.
Btw, my late great-Uncle was an American soldier during WW2, and took a personal leave while in Europe to find our relatives who remained in Poland... he only found my great-Aunt and one of her brothers alive (at a recovery camp shortly after Auschwitz was liberated), while everyone else from her family - and a good percentage of her village - had been murdered in the camps. She could probably tell stories that would chill even your cold blood, starting with the repeated rapes and scientific experiments they conducted on her, leaving her permanently infertile. She was just 16 years old at the time of her liberation, btw. Is that enough information "outside of the book," or would you like me to continue?
Furthermore and unlike you, I don't deny ANY of the atrocities and records kept from that period... so I know how many non-Jews died there, and don't excuse or forgive that any more than the Jewish deaths. Actually, that's one of the reasons I'm such a strong supporter of gay rights - as they stood right beside my people in the camps, and understand what it means to be killed for something you cannot change. Do you support gay rights and acknowledge their deaths in the Holocaust, or was that "oversensitized" too?
I don't really have anything to counter here....I am nobody to tell you how to think, perceive or process what you read or here. Nor am I here to sway you. We see the world differently....
As far as gay rights...Yes, I acknowledge gay were killed. Was it oversensitized? I would say "yes" but people make gay jokes everyday in show business and it pretty much rolls off societies back...Can't say the same about Jewish "ribbing" in the media.. Muchhhhh different tolerance level.
Besides, taking into consideration the Jew:Gay death toll ratio.....I will pretend you never even made the comparison.
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