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Old 03-02-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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...and as I said earlier in this thread:

she thinks it would be unseemly of her to ask her boyfriend, or boyfriends, to contribute money to her contraceptive needs, but it is not unseemly of her to appear before the US Congress and demand that everyone else, in her health insurance plan, who are not having sex with her, should help pay for her contraceptive needs.
I pay for fat old men to have heart surgery ....and it's their fault their fat out of shape slobs who never took care of themselves.

Why don't you mind paying for them???

 
Old 03-02-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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...and as I said earlier in this thread:

she thinks it would be unseemly of her to ask her boyfriend, or boyfriends, to contribute money to her contraceptive needs, but it is not unseemly of her to appear before the US Congress and demand that everyone else, in her health insurance plan, who are not having sex with her, should help pay for her contraceptive needs.
Actually, she thinks that she is entitled to the same privacy men enjoy with respect to doctor-patient confidentiality, and that when her doctor prescribes her a medication, and her insurance plan covers prescriptions, that the prescription should be covered by insurance. She contributes to that insurance plan as well. Her contribution helps pay the cost when Deek the surfer dude rigs a surfboard on ropes in the quad area, then falls and breaks his wrist. She contributes to that insurance that covers when Jean gets the flu, and gets a prescription to deal with medical issues involving the flu. But when Susan has debilitating menstrual cramps and heavy bleeding, the insurance plan says nope, not going to help you, that medication is also used for birth control??? I'll tell you what, when Dick the Jock gets his penis caught in a zipper, I want Georgetown's insurance to refuse to cover the medical expenses for that. Because that penis is obviously also used for recreational purposes.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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Not sure you got the memo, going to the library doesn't normally end up with you getting pregnant.
I knew that would be way too subtle for SOME
Over the head like a comet......
 
Old 03-02-2012, 08:55 AM
 
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I 'm really upset , too! I agree with your premise!

I just HATE it when people go to a library that I paid for with MY taxes and ENJOY themselves!!!

They should ONLY go to the library for serious study and hard work!!

That damn attitude that they feel ENTITLED to ENJOY themselves using MY taxes makes my blood boil!!!

And that's why Republicans are rasing such a righteous stink about taxpayers having to foot the bill for library use by people who ENJOY reading!...








For repugs : That was sarcasm.....but is EXACTLY what you're whining about.
No it isn't. Your analogy, to be correct, would be that the library should give away $15-$60 a month, of free porn to everyone and anyone who wanted it. But even then your analogy is not correct, because at least the library was a "public" library, we are talking about private businesses and organizations, who would be fined millions of dollars if they did not give away the free porn.

It's so hard to find the facts on this, but I do know that Obama intends to levy federal fines and punishments against businesses and organizations if they do not comply with his new contraceptive mandate.

Johanns said Wednesday that the Congressional Research Service reports that employers could face fines of up to $100 per day per health plan. He noted that his alma mater, Creighton University, is a Jesuit school that pays for 6,000 health insurance plans.

“So the cost to Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, to exercise their religious liberty will be an annual price tag of $246 million,” he said.

Obama, Senate win contraceptive fight
 
Old 03-02-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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Actually, she thinks that she is entitled to the same privacy men enjoy with respect to doctor-patient confidentiality, and that when her doctor prescribes her a medication, and her insurance plan covers prescriptions, that the prescription should be covered by insurance. She contributes to that insurance plan as well. Her contribution helps pay the cost when Deek the surfer dude rigs a surfboard on ropes in the quad area, then falls and breaks his wrist. She contributes to that insurance that covers when Jean gets the flu, and gets a prescription to deal with medical issues involving the flu. But when Susan has debilitating menstrual cramps and heavy bleeding, the insurance plan says nope, not going to help you, that medication is also used for birth control??? I'll tell you what, when Dick the Jock gets his penis caught in a zipper, I want Georgetown's insurance to refuse to cover the medical expenses for that. Because that penis is obviously also used for recreational purposes.
It's her choice. She chose the university, fully understanding that the insurance plan did not cover oral contraception, and she chose to engage in unprotected sex.

Why the pill, why not condoms, or a diaphragm or an IUD? Why does a health insurance program have to cover every single thing that a person can purchase from Walgreens?

The university does not even need to offer any health insurance, and this woman can buy her insurance from Blue Shield, or whatever. She chose a plan that does not cover what she wants, and not she wants government to force them to do so.

For example, if I know I have specific needs that I want covered by my health insurance provider, I choose accordingly. It's that simple.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 09:11 AM
 
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Well bill clinton use to drag a dollar through a trailer park for his women and nancy penoccieo drags her dollar through the universities for her tramps.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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Lightbulb It's amazing...

I've been through 15 presidential election cycles. And I voted GOP in all I was eligible for except two. In those, I voted Libertarian once and Democratic once. (Of course, that makes me some kind of marxist on this forum. )
But this election has been unique.

Never before have I seen a major party's candidates regress half a century in an effort to dredge up anger over a "social issue" the government has no business interjecting itself into. And the party in favor of this government intrusion is the party that tells the public it's against government intrusion.

Come on, GOP...

Contraceptives are NOT an issue and haven't been forever. Trying to make it one will only further diminish your credibility. And it's low enough already. Wake up. Time to get to work on 21st century issues.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 09:30 AM
 
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It's her choice. She chose the university, fully understanding that the insurance plan did not cover oral contraception, and she chose to engage in unprotected sex.

Why the pill, why not condoms, or a diaphragm or an IUD? Why does a health insurance program have to cover every single thing that a person can purchase from Walgreens?

The university does not even need to offer any health insurance, and this woman can buy her insurance from Blue Shield, or whatever. She chose a plan that does not cover what she wants, and not she wants government to force them to do so.

For example, if I know I have specific needs that I want covered by my health insurance provider, I choose accordingly. It's that simple.
The problem is that oral contraception isn't just for contraception purposes. It treats multiple health issues. And refusing to cover treatment of those other health issues, issues that affect women primarily, is discriminatory.

And the other problem is that the denial is supposedly based on religious reasons. But a university, a corporation, a business isn't a person. It does not have religious beliefs. The benefits provided by businesses should not discriminate, not for gender, not for religion.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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For everyone who's all "I DON'T WANT MY MONEY GOING TO PAY FOR WOMEN USING THEIR VAGINAS," you do realize that we pay for insurance too, right? That women like me pay a certain amount of money out of every paycheck so that we have insurance? That it's not just YOUR money, but mine too? And if MY money is going to MY insurance, it should cover the things MY doctor and I have decided I need for MY health? (Just like YOUR money should go to cover the things YOU and YOUR doctor have decided that YOU need for YOUR health?) How does this not make sense?
That does make sense. But you're misrepresenting the issue.

In the case of a secular organization It's not about being COVERED at all, it's about being covered for FREE.

Where it is about being covered at all, is in religious organizations. In which case it is about THEIR money going to your insurance. If their money is going to your insurance, then it shouldn't cover services which are against the religion. That's a violation of the free exercise of religion clause of the first ammendment.

So if all you want is your insurance from a secular source to cover your contraception with a standard co-pay, then you can count on my support. But if you go beyond that, then you start violating other peoples' rights
 
Old 03-02-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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No it isn't. Your analogy, to be correct, would be that the library should give away $15-$60 a month, of free porn to everyone and anyone who wanted it. But even then your analogy is not correct, because at least the library was a "public" library, we are talking about private businesses and organizations, who would be fined millions of dollars if they did not give away the free porn.

It's so hard to find the facts on this, but I do know that Obama intends to levy federal fines and punishments against businesses and organizations if they do not comply with his new contraceptive mandate.

Johanns said Wednesday that the Congressional Research Service reports that employers could face fines of up to $100 per day per health plan. He noted that his alma mater, Creighton University, is a Jesuit school that pays for 6,000 health insurance plans.

“So the cost to Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, to exercise their religious liberty will be an annual price tag of $246 million,” he said.

Obama, Senate win contraceptive fight
So for you this is all about sex.....The Great Scary Mystery For Republicans!




I have noted how Repugs in this thread do NOT believe businesses should have to obey the law......when it applies to their little pet peeves...


Well, I believe in legal Americans being treated equally under laws and no antiquated entity filled with child raping old MEN should have a say in which SEX pays what...



Please read DC at the Ridge's posts....but be forewarned, they contain FACTS and education and those things do terrorize Repugs...
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