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How is complete absence of government not totally consistent with the term "liberty" though?
The issue here is you feel the need to slap a label...
Actually, I feel it is necessary to slap the correct label on Libertarians, not the propaganda they want to push. Just like the Democrats and their "liberal" or "progressive" propaganda, or the Republicans and their "conservative" propaganda.
They are all guilty of misleading people as to their true purpose.
Libertarians are anarchists, and everything that implies. Which also explains why so few of them actually vote.
Actually, I feel it is necessary to slap the correct label on Libertarians, not the propaganda they want to push. Just like the Democrats and their "liberal" or "progressive" propaganda, or the Republicans and their "conservative" propaganda.
They are all guilty of misleading people as to their true purpose.
Libertarians are anarchists, and everything that implies. Which also explains why so few of them actually vote.
I agree with you that Libertarians are the actual "Progressives" that want to push towards "Anarchy".....Much in the same way that actual "Progressives" want to "push" to all out Socialism.
The difference is I can admit this...where as 95% of Progressives do not.
And also the term "Anarchy", at least in the context you appear to be using it, is not all hell breaks loose and every man for themselves. No, anarchy or "Anti-Statism" will by nature always form a state...whether it be large scale or poly-centric...
The main issue at hand is that the establishment NEEDS to be torn down.
Actually, I feel it is necessary to slap the correct label on Libertarians, not the propaganda they want to push. Just like the Democrats and their "liberal" or "progressive" propaganda, or the Republicans and their "conservative" propaganda.
They are all guilty of misleading people as to their true purpose.
Libertarians are anarchists, and everything that implies. Which also explains why so few of them actually vote.
Libertarians believe in chaos? No rule of law? Survival of the fittest? No compassion for the weak?
No That would be your opinion.
Libertarians actually believe in small gov, personal freedom and personal ac****ability. The last two are what seperates libertarians from dems or rep.
Why would they vote for people who do not represent them or their interests?
Ah the lessor of two evils argument? Vote for the one you hate least?
The last three elections were decided in that manner. How has that worked out?
I agree to not vote at all is to waste a right. At the same time if the choice is between 2 people you cant stand then that really is no choice.
Bush v.s Kerry
Mccain v.s Obama
Libertarians are anarchists, and everything that implies. Which also explains why so few of them actually vote.
Libertarians are not Anarchists.
Libertarians = Constitutional government.
Anarchists = No government.
It's only the "big" part of "big government" that we want to get rid of. Government can remain within its constitutional bounds.
Libertarianism preserves the Republic and the Constitution. Anarchy doesn't. Anarchy also is an unstable state. When there is anarchy, it quickly devolves into oligarchy, and then democracy, neither of which is desirable.
Perhaps because anarchists were responsible for the assassination of President McKinley and associated with the start of WW I, nobody wants to be known as an anarchist. Libertarians simply took a page from the Democrat playbook by calling themselves something they are not.
Actually, we used to call ourselves liberals before socialists started calling themselves something they were not.
Anarchy doesn't. Anarchy also is an unstable state. When there is anarchy, it quickly devolves into oligarchy, and then democracy, neither of which is desirable.
That holds true with Minarchism as well.....
We were initially a Republic that voted by Democratic process to AVOID oligarchy and what do we have now??? an Oligarchy!!
We were initially a Republic that voted by Democratic process to AVOID oligarchy and what do we have now??? an Oligarchy!!
Not really. Minarchism is a very weak form of Statism, but a Statist idea nonetheless, which advocates for the government to exist in some basic form, i.e. a night-watchman state. Anarchism calls for no government, to achieve the state of Anarchy.
I agree with you that Libertarians are the actual "Progressives" that want to push towards "Anarchy".....Much in the same way that actual "Progressives" want to "push" to all out Socialism.
The difference is I can admit this...where as 95% of Progressives do not.
And also the term "Anarchy", at least in the context you appear to be using it, is not all hell breaks loose and every man for themselves. No, anarchy or "Anti-Statism" will by nature always form a state...whether it be large scale or poly-centric...
The main issue at hand is that the establishment NEEDS to be torn down.
I never said Libertarians were progressive. I said they were anarchists. If anything anarchy is regressive, not progressive. As far as the meaning of "anarchy" is concerned:
Anarchy -
1 a: absence of government; b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority; c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government.
2 a: absence or denial of any authority or established order; b: absence of order : disorder <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature — Israel Shenker>
According to the official Libertarian Party platform:
"The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power." [emphasis added]
Libertarians actually believe in small gov, personal freedom and personal ac****ability. The last two are what seperates libertarians from dems or rep.
Why would they vote for people who do not represent them or their interests?
Ah the lessor of two evils argument? Vote for the one you hate least?
The last three elections were decided in that manner. How has that worked out?
I agree to not vote at all is to waste a right. At the same time if the choice is between 2 people you cant stand then that really is no choice.
Bush v.s Kerry
Mccain v.s Obama
Libertarians are anarchists who would abolish all government given the first opportunity. As far as voting is concerned, Libertarians/anarchists do not vote. Why should they participate in a government they want to abolish? Why do you think the Libertarian Party has never gotten more than 0.5% of the popular vote since their inception in 1972? Anarchists do not vote.
Libertarians = Constitutional government.
Anarchists = No government.
It's only the "big" part of "big government" that we want to get rid of. Government can remain within its constitutional bounds.
Libertarianism preserves the Republic and the Constitution. Anarchy doesn't. Anarchy also is an unstable state. When there is anarchy, it quickly devolves into oligarchy, and then democracy, neither of which is desirable.
Libertarians are anarchists, by their own admission in their official Libertarian Party platform. They seek to abolish all government and any authoritarian power. That is the very definition of anarchy.
Do not buy into their propaganda. Read their official platform and judge them by their actions.
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