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Obviously capitalism is not the final economic arrangement for humans, and it would be the height of arrogance to assume we've come close to the "best" arrangement.
What do you think will be the next step after capitalism? What do you think the ideal system would be? Do you think the next step will be an improvement or a step down?
The ideal system will come when technology has advanced sufficiently that most labor will not be done by humans, and material wealth will be so abundant that commoditizing it would be pointless.
Here is the great obstacle to that scenario, human behavior. How does one change motivation based upon material reward to one based upon alturism, the need to be productive for sole purpose of being productive? There are certainly plenty of examples of people who pursue a wide range of vital and productive endeavors with little concern for anything but the most marginal economic reward but that isn't a generally accepted view particular considering given the lack of intrinsic rewards of many occupations.
we do know that after socialism most states go to capitalism when socialism fails. Witness Russia and china which boht have gone to capitalist market system. North and south korea is a example of the difference capitalism can make plus china not having starving people like they did.
Capitalism is the only system that is consistant with a free society, and the natural rights of man. Anything else violates natural law, and the right to the fruits of ones labor, and intelectual property.
Here is the great obstacle to that scenario, human behavior. How does one change motivation based upon material reward to one based upon alturism, the need to be productive for sole purpose of being productive? There are certainly plenty of examples of people who pursue a wide range of vital and productive endeavors with little concern for anything but the most marginal economic reward but that isn't a generally accepted view particular considering given the lack of intrinsic rewards of many occupations.
That is why I said it will happen when materials cease to be a commodity, and are so widely available that we don't have to work for them. Because motivation won't be based on material award simply because everyone will have material wealth by default.
A fantastical idea, and no doubt still centuries (if not millenia away), but I imagine it will happen. Just look at society today, we need far less human labor than we have in the past, but society as a whole hasn't quite caught on to that fact.
It'll happen, being able to transmute materials (scientists have modified bacteria to crap biodiesel, and they get their energy from the sun), robots building, maintaining, driving, flying, etc...
Been to a hospital lately? it's robots that deliver medications.
200 years ago, the majority of humans had to work in agriculture, that changed and they went to work in factories and textiles, then along come robots, and that too is changing...
I'm a lawyer, our industry is getting irreversibly changed because software can do discovery that once took an army of lawyers in a warehouse to do...
It'll happen, just gonna take some time.
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I'm dying to know what part of capitalism you believe are missing or that haven't been present in the U.S. economy.
I suspect the entirely unregulated part of capitalism, where government only exists to run the courts and debtor prisons - kidding, we can privatize those too.
Obviously capitalism is not the final economic arrangement for humans, and it would be the height of arrogance to assume we've come close to the "best" arrangement.
What do you think will be the next step after capitalism? What do you think the ideal system would be? Do you think the next step will be an improvement or a step down?
After the collapse of attempts at capitalism and resulting revolt against the government, bringing about its collapse, the next state of the American worker will be total freedom.
Free to work where and how he pleases - by agreement. Without the tyranny of government to control the fruits of his labors.
Obviously capitalism is not the final economic arrangement for humans, and it would be the height of arrogance to assume we've come close to the "best" arrangement.
What do you think will be the next step after capitalism? What do you think the ideal system would be? Do you think the next step will be an improvement or a step down?
Where do you get the arrogant idea that "Obviously capitalism...". Capitalism is IT, the apex of human endeavor - period - it is only DOWN from there - OBVIOUSLY.
[quote=Willsson;29874137]After the collapse of attempts at capitalism and resulting revolt against the government, bringing about its collapse, the next state of the American worker will be total freedom.
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Free to work where and how he pleases - by agreement. Without the tyranny of government to control the fruits of his labors.
Sound more the 19th century when the freedom that was enjoyed was solely the province of employers and the virtual enslavement of workers.
Personally I don't see much benefit to for workers unless you consider garment workers in Bangladesh to the the freest workers on the planet.
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