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Old 03-05-2012, 12:59 AM
 
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Rights do not come from government; rather, they are granted by our Creator and affirmed/codified by our US Constituton. To acknowledge such does not make the USA a theocracy.
Seriously? Even I, as an Australian know that you don't have a clue about your own Constitution or Bill of Rights.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Which particular "God" are you referring to? Yours?
When God is capitalized it refers to the one true God - so that would be everybody's God.

When one says "god" - this is the inanimate object or idea that replaces God in your life. We all worship something. For some it is the bottle, others, a pill, and many worship secular humanism - and call themselves atheists because they think they don't need to bother with God. All of these are doomed to failure.

Anyways - in the United States we have religious freedom and one may worship their god of choice.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Seriously? Even I, as an Australian know that you don't have a clue about your own Constitution or Bill of Rights.
Explain, mate.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:03 AM
 
Location: California
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We all worship something
I don't.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:04 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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Nobody can agree under your scenario either.
My scenario works on the level of a moral consensus, wherever that might be. The unit could be as small as your local school board. Under the present arrangement, moral consensus has no authority at any level because our political "culture of rights" imposes a faux neutrality.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:06 AM
 
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Here's the problem: a government cannot be neutral towards relevant truths - religious based morality, for instance - without being prejudiced against those truths.

Pretending to be neutral towards the proverbial "elephant in the living room" ends in absurdity. When it comes to politics, religious and moral truth is the "elephant in the living room".

All laws of every kind are based on someone's idea of morality. Government can't be neutral about that: it has to choose. Even when it pretends not to choose, it chooses.
And who is to 'interpret' those 'truths'? You?
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:08 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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And who is to 'interpret' those 'truths'?
The same people who interpret them now.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:13 AM
 
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When God is capitalized it refers to the one true God - so that would be everybody's God.

When one says "god" - this is the inanimate object or idea that replaces God in your life. We all worship something. For some it is the bottle, others, a pill, and many worship secular humanism - and call themselves atheists because they think they don't need to bother with God. All of these are doomed to failure.

Anyways - in the United States we have religious freedom and one may worship their god of choice.
What 'one true God' is that? People believe in many different Gods or no Gods at all. It's rather arrogant to think that your particuar 'God' is the 'one true God'.

Can I assume you belong to one of the 37,000 Christian sects who can't seem to agree about what their 'god' wants? The ones who follow numerous different versions of what was orginally the Hebrew's god YaHWeH? Do you know the history of YaHWeH?
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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People believe in many different Gods or no Gods at all.
This sentence is only accurate when you lose the capital "G" - as in "People believe in many different gods or no gods at all."
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:19 AM
 
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The same people who interpret them now.
And who are those people?
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