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Old 03-08-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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American companies are in business to make money, PERIOD. Not to train workers or provide day care centers or provide health care benefits nor retirement benefits.

Why bother to train American workers when it's hundreds of times cheaper to manufacture items overseas and never be worried about the next union strike?
Then tax the owners' income high enough to pay welfare to the displaced.
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Old 03-08-2016, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The US maintains thousands, probably tens of thousands, of trade agreements with foreign countries and sectors within countries sometimes down to the manufacturer and product.

I am going to focus on Boeing. Nearly 90% of Boeing's commercial backlog is made up of orders from airlines outside the US. Boeing is one of the largest US exporters and likely benefits more than any other US company from international trade, as do all of their 160,000 employees.

Back when, Boeing led the way within the private sector in terms of lobbying Congress to normalize trade relations with China. Today, they expect to build 3700 jets for the China market over the next 20 years. This would not have been remotely possible without normalized trade relations.

Tariffs are 2-way streets. You want to slap increased tariffs on China to save US jobs, you seriously risk putting Boeing out of business and the unemployment of 160,000 people who will not be able to find compariable jobs elsewhere. Boeing would not likely allow that to happen. They would more likely relocate the whole shebang to Mexico who maintains more free trade agreement with the rest of the world than any other country. No need to employ 160,000 US workers in Mexico. The attractiveness of Mexico for manufacturing is not all about lower wagers. It's their stance on open trade.

We have the proverbial half glass of water, here. Some view foreign trade relations as destroying US jobs. Others look at it from the perspective of saving US jobs.
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Old 03-08-2016, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Kramer, the one person running for President most opposed to the H1b program IS Donald Trump and tou need to remember you, as owned property of the democrat plantation, are not allowed to vote Trump.

Vote for Hillary who in 2008 greatly supported expanding the H1b program.

Liberal big tech is relying on you to *********rself!
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Old 03-08-2016, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Between 2000-2010, about 15% of US manufacturing jobs were permanently eliminated through technology substitution.

Who knows? That percentage may grow to an accumulative 30% by 2020.

No politician/ party knows how to address this so they blame the other guy or party.

Most reasonable folk talk about education yet often times those same folk damn Common Cord and do so despite not knowing anything factual about it. Common Core is a what, what students should know and by when to compete in a global basis. The " how" is left to the states and districts within.

Common Core is neither Republican or Democrat. Who knew?

The US has millions of students woefully unprepared to perform at a college level in Reading, Math and Science and are so because states and school districts and parents have deluded themselves. There's a persistent belief that the US was once #1 despite the US has historically tested middle of the road in international comparisons as long as comparisons have been made. The number of countries however have substantially increased.

Any meaningful change in education will take a generation, not a school quarter.

And here we are listening to politicians tell us that they will kill Common Core and let states decide for themselves. A few have talked about eliminating the Dept of Education and presumably funding.

Then there are those who don't want to pay taxes to educate other people's kids and on and on.

Guess we could revert back to a time when only the wealthy attended school beyond 5-8th grade.

Sounds like a plan to me.
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Old 03-08-2016, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Kramer, the one person running for President most opposed to the H1b program IS Donald Trump and tou need to remember you, as owned property of the democrat plantation, are not allowed to vote Trump.

Vote for Hillary who in 2008 greatly supported expanding the H1b program.

Liberal big tech is relying on you to *********rself!
Trump has said he will eliminate H1B visa abuse, whatever that means.

At the same time he vigorously defends the use of visas for seasonal workers and talks about how hard it is to employ domestic workers in Palm Beach, in season. Perhaps one of the reasons it's challenging is because recruiting for these jobs are typically limited to a legal notice in the back of a local newspaper.

Too bad no one has asked him if he uses his plane to fly in/ out seasonal workers between say Guatemala and Palm Beach. What becomes of these seasonal workers once the season is over?

Cruz advocated for increasing H1 B visas by 500%. He then softened this to putting new visas on a 180 day hold to audit potential abuses. Then what? Back to a five- fold increase?

There is no viable candidate who opposes the employment of foreign over US workers.

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Old 03-08-2016, 03:54 PM
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A lot of talk about training but it really doesn't apply. They're replacing you whether you know the work or not--with H-1B or H-2B staffing.

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There is no viable candidate who opposes the employment of foreign over US workers.
Trump has the endorsement of Sen. Jeff Sessions, who's notorious for working with Chuck Grassley to try to rein in foreign worker visa abuses. Sen. Sessions was recently derided by the progressive, globalist New York Times as "anti-immigrant."
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Old 03-08-2016, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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A lot of talk about training but it really doesn't apply. They're replacing you whether you know the work or not--with H-1B or H-2B staffing.


Trump has the endorsement of Sen. Jeff Sessions, who's notorious for working with Chuck Grassley to try to rein in foreign worker visa abuses. Sen. Sessions was recently derided by the progressive, globalist New York Times as "anti-immigrant."
Yeah, yeah. Sessions and Cruz created a bill, American Jobs First Act which is going no place, fast. As I understand it, the Act seeks to require an employer to pay the foreign worker the greater of ; as much as the displaced US worker or $ 110,000.

Regardless, all the next president needs to do is get a majority of 535 Congress Critters to go along with it.

http://socialnewswatch.com/2016/03/0...-worker-visas/

How the heck did the perception of worker visas become partisan? Silicon Valley?
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Old 03-08-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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Not only that, but americans are too fat( as are illegals) to get low paying jobs working at Amazon walking 25 miles per day filling orders for online purchases at giant mega warehouses. No wonder jobs will be going to robots in the near future. Until the robots get laid off because humans are too poor to buy anything.
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Old 03-08-2016, 04:55 PM
 
Location: London
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Welcome to the new global economy, where it's actually a disadvantage to be born an American.
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