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I live in conservative ville and no most conservatives do not own businesses and no they are not rich so whats your point.
I live in a conservative state and most conservatives are either doctors or own their own business's. Some are rich, some are just well off, not many are dirt poor. That's because they've all worked since they were teenagers making something of themselves and not one depend on the government to hand it to them.
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Also that was not about teachers and I want bother to explain since you couldn't understand apparently.
Then don't make comments like this.......................
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You now why this group wants "smaller gov"? The same reason the bullies want the teachersgone from theschool. They want to use and make slaves of other people.
If you do not have rights, except those granted by government, then the Declaration of Independence is a lie. If you have a “fair share” of obligatory duties, imposed without your consent, you’re a slave, which makes the 13th amendment a lie. If you have to pay taxes to exercise your right to life, liberty and private property ownership, you have no rights, and the republican form of government has ceased to exist. Thankfully, the law states otherwise... unless you gave consent. You do know how and when you gave consent, right? And consent waives job #1.
Remember this - - socialism = slavery, as in compulsory labor for the benefit of another - under threat, duress or coercion by government (or those who control the government). Slavery is never a viable solution to the ills of mankind.
You pay taxes so that you can have civilization. Unless the country you live in is a tax haven like the Cayman Islands, Costa Rica or the Principality of Monaco the civilized infrastructure that you take for granted requires tax revenue to exist and be maintained. Why has this not been an issue before the evil Government wore a black face? Does government waste tax revenue? Duh... of course they do. As a card carrying pacifist, am I thrilled that my government is one of the most hawkish on the planet? Negative. The answer, however, is not, cannot be, to eliminate government. Do you really need to be told this?
If it's so easy to get wealthy by standing around, why aren't you wealthy and handing out $100 dollar bills to the poor?
Why don't the lefties start a business and instead of keeping the profits, spread it around evenly?
Pay the janitor as much as the research professional.
Split ALL profit evenly among the workers.
But, you won't, because you can't.
How typically Conservative. Take the contrarian viewpoint to the ridiculous extreme. Does your example work? Of course not. So... WalMart is the business model to espouse. Workers get minimum wage, often less, as many are from government labor farms. Profits heavily biased towards the top. What about Trader Joes? They consistently pay workers well above the prevailing minimum wage in the area and they haven't gone out of business yet. So don't tell us that a more equitable distribution of revenue can't be done. It very well can be. That it isn't, for the most part, is a greed thing and not a maxim of business economics.
You pay taxes so that you can have civilization. Unless the country you live in is a tax haven like the Cayman Islands, Costa Rica or the Principality of Monaco the civilized infrastructure that you take for granted requires tax revenue to exist and be maintained. Why has this not been an issue before the evil Government wore a black face? Does government waste tax revenue? Duh... of course they do. As a card carrying pacifist, am I thrilled that my government is one of the most hawkish on the planet? Negative. The answer, however, is not, cannot be, to eliminate government. Do you really need to be told this?
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Bill Gates Sr. used to say this: 'Suppose you were given the choice of being born in America or in Ethiopia. What proportion of your eventual fortune would you be willing to give to be born in America? Given the great good fortune of getting to live and run a business in this country that has all the advantages an advanced country with a decent system provides, how can you think it’s all you? And then, how can you feel you don’t have any obligation to pay it back?'
How typically Conservative. Take the contrarian viewpoint to the ridiculous extreme. Does your example work? Of course not. So... WalMart is the business model to espouse. Workers get minimum wage, often less, as many are from government labor farms. Profits heavily biased towards the top. What about Trader Joes? They consistently pay workers well above the prevailing minimum wage in the area and they haven't gone out of business yet. So don't tell us that a more equitable distribution of revenue can't be done. It very well can be. That it isn't, for the most part, is a greed thing and not a maxim of business economics.
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Of course it's a greed thing, but many here on CD equate greed to Capitalism. They don't get or refuse to acknowledge that the two do not need to go hand in hand. Somewhere along the line they have been dumbed down enough to believe that vulture Capitalism, exploitation of workers, union busting, deregulation, etc. is the acceptable standard as long as the bottom line shows a profit. Dummies!
Try teacher unions gone, has nothing to do with good teacher's. Pensions for life is bankrupting America. Check out Stockton, CA unions are wrong for this country!!
Pensions aren't bankrupting anyone. Pensions are employee money not paid directly to them but instead invested on their behalf. Even the company match is deducted from the employee's gross salary. Upon retirement the employee then receives an annuity from the interest earned on the investment. The hope is that the employee will die long before they ever reach principal. In the best case scenario the employee drops dead the same afternoon they get the gold watch and the entire sum of principal and interest (the employee's principal mind you) goes to the company. That's the theory. In reality you have the fact that employee's live longer now than when pensions were invented and meddlesome unions and other agencies have allowed pensions to be transferred to next of kin, etc. Not as much of a win/win for the company but bankrupting them? Hardly. Tell a lie often enough and you start to believe it yourself... is that it? Good thing there's me to keep you straight.
Pensions aren't bankrupting anyone. Pensions are employee money not paid directly to them but instead invested on their behalf. Even the company match is deducted from the employee's gross salary. Upon retirement the employee then receives an annuity from the interest earned on the investment. The hope is that the employee will die long before they ever reach principal. In the best case scenario the employee drops dead the same afternoon they get the gold watch and the entire sum of principal and interest (the employee's principal mind you) goes to the company. That's the theory. In reality you have the fact that employee's live longer now than when pensions were invented and meddlesome unions and other agencies have allowed pensions to be transferred to next of kin, etc. Not as much of a win/win for the company but bankrupting them? Hardly. Tell a lie often enough and you start to believe it yourself... is that it? Good thing there's me to keep you straight.
Pensions aren't bankrupting anyone. Pensions are employee money not paid directly to them but instead invested on their behalf. Even the company match is deducted from the employee's gross salary. Upon retirement the employee then receives an annuity from the interest earned on the investment. The hope is that the employee will die long before they ever reach principal. In the best case scenario the employee drops dead the same afternoon they get the gold watch and the entire sum of principal and interest (the employee's principal mind you) goes to the company. That's the theory. In reality you have the fact that employee's live longer now than when pensions were invented and meddlesome unions and other agencies have allowed pensions to be transferred to next of kin, etc. Not as much of a win/win for the company but bankrupting them? Hardly. Tell a lie often enough and you start to believe it yourself... is that it? Good thing there's me to keep you straight.
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Small correction. Demographics studies conclude that higher income employees are living longer. The guy digging ditches; not so much.
But what you said is basically true. Also, local governments are having trouble with pensions because they have chosen to under-fund their pension systems. That's not the employee's fault. That's the fault of politicians that know the won't be in office when the problem hits.
Oh I think she does and agrees with it like so many others.
Why is it so that the last place you think to look for as root cause of a problem is in the mirror?
When you can't manage yourself, I don't see that railing against contractual agreements all others are engaged in is going to solve what only a good stint living in 3rd world countries could solve.
Purist anarchy is living on the Appalachian trail happy to be left alone with squirrel meat and berries. Anything less is sophomoric BS temper tantrums.
Purist freedom, ridding yourself of every trace of collectivism, can be had on your one person Amish colony or your army of one Shepherds colony. Live it out. If your world is all about you, knock yourself out all by your mavericky self like the rest of the boys committing suicide in Alaska.
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