The Great Abortion Debate (dollar, politician, money, world)
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[quote=janelle144;23335297]This why I will take God's side and follow Him. Man does not have any answers, they change with the seasons, God's truth if forever.
Fine for you. You follow your conscience and your sense of god and I follow mine (disclaimer, I am atheist). Also, plenty of god believers have had and will have abortions for whatever reason they hold to themselves.
I so tire of the "close your legs" "choose to have sex" etc. comments. Is it not obvious that people loathe women's freedom to have sex without consequences, that is, don't have to "pay to play?" The image of slutty single women (welfare queens and professional single women) and exuberant careless hookups seems to be the image of someone who chooses abortion, never mind the hypothetical girl who gets an 8-month abortion because of her prom dress or something (which wouldn't happen...)
Slightly over half of women getting abortions are married. So they should have "closed their legs" in marriage?
A relative of mine had two kids and a tubal ligation in her first marriage. Ten years later in her second marriage, with a household of three angry teenagers and crumbling marriage, she became pregnant against all odds. She has spiritual beliefs, and didn't choose abortion lightly, but did so and does not regret it. Situations have all sorts of complexities. Nothing quite like a rabid anti-choice person whose teenage daughter gets pregnant or some such- they might choose to have the birth, and they might not. These are very achingly private matters.
I do think it should remain legal, but I'm opposed to abortion around the time the embryo becomes a fetus and thereafter. A fetus has its own heartbeat and unmistakable neurological activity. I do believe that consitutes a "life", and I see no significant difference between a fetus and a newborn baby. The only argument I've been given is that the fetus is dependent on the womb. But this does not present a fundamental difference between the being that a fetus is and the being a newborn is. There's someone in just about every hospital who is kept alive by an iron lung and/or fed intravenously. They are no less an object than a fetus.
I do think it should remain legal, but I'm opposed to abortion around the time the embryo becomes a fetus and thereafter. A fetus has its own heartbeat and unmistakable neurological activity. I do believe that consitutes a "life", and I see no significant difference between a fetus and a newborn baby. The only argument I've been given is that the fetus is dependent on the womb. But this does not present a fundamental difference between the being that a fetus is and the being a newborn is. There's someone in just about every hospital who is kept alive by an iron lung and/or fed intravenously. They are no less an object than a fetus.
the distinction vic, is an easy one. after birth a baby or a person needing an iron lung or feeding intravenously can all be done by someone OTHER then the person who has the womb and is pregnant. there is no one other then herself in that case
the distinction vic, is an easy one. after birth a baby or a person needing an iron lung or feeding intravenously can all be done by someone OTHER then the person who has the womb and is pregnant. there is no one other then herself in that case
That is no distinction between the being that a fetus is and the being that a newborn is at all.
Yes, human beings change in appearance as they develop. Kinda knew that already. What I need you to explain here is what makes a fetus any less a human being than a newborn.
I'll give it a try.
A fetus has a parasitic relationship with the mother's body. It is not just being "carried" in her uterus, it is attached to her for feeding, oxygen, everything to sustain it. It cannot survive unless feeding off of the woman's body. That is different than being "dependent," such as a person on a vent, or a helpless infant, or whatever. Biologically, it is parasitic- it cannot live without living off the woman's body, and the woman will survive just fine without it doing so (in fact, often much better- see under: malnourishment/frequent birthing). Until about six months (minimum) it is parasitic, and certainly the majority of abortions are well under 12 weeks, and almost all of the rest well under 24 weeks. Abortions are not legal under Roe v. Wade in the third trimester unless for the life of the woman or fetal death in utero or having a diagnosed condition incompatible with life, such as brain outside fetal head, etc., not "convenience."
Yes, human beings change in appearance as they develop. Kinda knew that already. What I need you to explain here is what makes a fetus any less a human being than a newborn.
didn't say less of a "human" the difference between potential human life and life realized is HUGE as is dependence on an individual womb and dependence on a person willing to do the job
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