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most government employees (the average worker is gs7-gs11) are UNDERPAID...the union (which most are not, has NOTHING to do with salery...salery is set and raised by congress...and has been FROZEN for the last 2 years....governemt employees are paid LESS than their civilian counterparts
example :
Staff training coordinator aka Staff operations and trainging specialist aka training analyst:
I dont understand why people dont use the public sector incomes and benefits, as leverage, when they talk to there employers about pay and Bennies. I used that many times over the years as a starter when talking to management. You can then move to the highest paid unionized employees in your field. It is a better way then the Repub. way which leads to pay deflation. Oh thats right their masters want pay deflation so they can over pay upper Mgt.
This is a GREAT POINT! I can't rep you enough times.
But your last sentence sums it all up. Besides, they're just jealous because they're stuck in a job with meager benefits so they just lash out at anyone that's getting a better deal...especially if they're union workers or Fed employees.
But if you say anything about the rich, they go into attack mode and scream about class warfare.
Since DC, along with the capitol cities of the individual states are some of the wealthiest areas in the nation, we can draw the conclusion that the op is correct.
Think again, sir. It's not the federal workers that are driving up the wealth. Try thinking about the military industrial complex: Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, et al., all housed in these areas where government does business. Add to that: DC is FULL of lawyers, financial types, lobbyists that are all private sector and are all pulling down a huge chunk of change.
I live in the DC area. Most of the government workers live out in the far flung suburbs in modest homes. Many business owners live in the McMansion and very close in to DC. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh yes OP, you are so correct. I am a government employee. I make a whopping 34k a year and pay insurance premiums out of that every paycheck for a total of $360.00 a month. THEN I still have to pay copays and meet deductibles for each family memebers. Yes, my family & I the elite 1%, we party like ROCK STARS!
Yes, my insurance premiums are a little lower than civilian jobs in my area, but the pay is the same.
I hear you! I too am a government employee. However, I don't make close to 34K/ year. Insurance premiums are high! Oh, and my civilian counterparts for my job start at around 10-12$ an hour more than I do
The truth is that government employees are the true 1%. We have far too many of them (21 million), many of them are paid too much, and their union demands are straining taxpayers to the breaking point.
They have become a privileged class that expects to be treated superior to the taxpayers — the same folks who pay their salaries and pensions. But it is their obscene pensions that are the big problem moving forward for America.
How would you like to retire with $6 million? $8 million? $10 million? All you have to do is become a government employee to hit the jackpot.
You don’t believe me? Do the math.
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He bragged that he will now get a taxpayer funded pension of $120,000 a year for the rest of his life. He’s only 50 years old. The average 50-year old male has a life expectancy of almost 80. With automatic cost of living increases, that’s a bill to taxpayers of $5 million for the next 30 years –for not working. THREE TIMES WHAT HE EARNED WHILE WORKING
By RCCCB: Either you come up with a 90% tax on all government union pensions or just default on them. It's like a cancer that we have unions in our government. It isn't like a business in the real world where you bargain and the unions just close the businesses down. In a government union case some politicians always give them massive raises, benefits and retirements and they leave politic and are NEVER held responsible for the destruction left behind.
John F'ing Kennedy gave us unions in the Federal gov and here in La La land Jerry (moonbeam) Brown gave us CA state unions his first term. PS: We have about a half trillion in pension debt for the government unions in CA that nobody wants to speak of. This is all going to crash us more than welfare ever could IMO.
First, you are painting all gov't employees with a very wide brush.
"The truth is that government employees are the true 1%." a flat out lie.
The "example" given in the article is from NYC. Not all gov't workers are under that same system.
Each city, state and the fed have DIFFERENT systems.
How about YOU doing the math on the rest of and get back to us?
I'll even give you the parameters. Pay-$80k per year
Age-50
Years of service-30
Just for info, the vast majority of fed workers at the GS-12 and above pay scale Do NOT belong to the gov't union.
The NY example is EXACTLY why Wisc. is in the spotlight.
No;the ture 1% is the same people as always from the old saying. They are the 1% your mother warned you about;the criminals. But they seem to have grown i numbers since the saying first came about.
I dont understand why people dont use the public sector incomes and benefits, as leverage, when they talk to there employers about pay and Bennies.
Because the public sector is corrupt in their pay and the politicians who got all the millions to their campaigns from government unions are gone when the damage is done.
Public employees used to get about half pay compared to the private sector and maybe a 10% of salary retirement.
Then the unions got in. In the private sector they only run the companies out of business, but when they are like a cancer in the government positions they close the whole country down.
And because it is a numbers game for unions they have through donations GREATLY increased their numbers.
In the 60s as a percentage of the population government workers were 1 out of 100. Today they are 1 out of 9. Unsustainable, especially with big pay and benefits.
No;the ture 1% is the same people as always from the old saying. They are the 1% your mother warned you about;the criminals. But they seem to have grown i numbers since the saying first came about.
I think the elite government employees union fit that description well.
Because the public sector is corrupt in their pay and the politicians who got all the millions to their campaigns from government unions are gone when the damage is done.
Public employees used to get about half pay compared to the private sector and maybe a 10% of salary retirement.
Then the unions got in. In the private sector they only run the companies out of business, but when they are like a cancer in the government positions they close the whole country down.
And because it is a numbers game for unions they have through donations GREATLY increased their numbers.
In the 60s as a percentage of the population government workers were 1 out of 100. Today they are 1 out of 9. Unsustainable, especially with big pay and benefits.
Sorry you are wrong. The younger employees need to go into their non-union employers and start asking about higher wages and bennies. As the unions lost members the corp. were able to keep wages for its employees down while raising Mgt. pay rates. At the next round table meeting the mgt. team will ask if there are any issues at that time in front of your fellow employees ask about pay and Bennies. It a great time to start the conversation. Since it is a round table you will face no retaliation as Co. are afraid of those unions Rccc seems to fear
As employees you need to be able to support your statements so find out pay rates for other co. Ask around even on-line in forums like this one. You will be amazed what you can get done
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