Why Aren't Conservative Women Worried About Losing Their Rights? (stereotypes, economic, financial)
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But, you can blame Independents and Moderates for not seeing through this fog and seeking out the best ways to move forward on other issues like jobs, economy, foreign policy etc.
I would think that Independents especially would be looking for stances on the other issues - how else are they going to decide responsibly.
What do you take Independents for? People who just believe propaganda? People who decide based on what the Lamestream Media is telling them?
You don't get it. Lots of moderate R's and independents aren't thrilled with Obama, but they don't absolutely hate everything about him like some do--they don't think he's satan's representative on earth. you know as well as I do that lots of people aren't too happy with our choices on the R side either. It's coming down to issues, and holding your nose to vote for the lesser of two evils. As the R's spend less time talking about the economy and more about this, the far right end of the party is pushing people away. How is it propoganda when these crazy bills are popping up all over the country--they're EVERYWHERE. Are you denying that the religious right end of the party is pulling this crap? The democrats are doing their best to focus attention on it--you're right about that--but that doesn't mean it's not happening. The fastest way to get off this topic and on to other issues is for the religious right to knock it off, because this is an issue that DOES rile people up. The far right end of the party used immigration last time to fire up the base, and they thought they'd do the same with reproductive issues this time. It's blowing up in their faces, because even many conservative women don't support what they're proposing.
I know you're trying to be funny, and I personally am not 100% supportive of requiring no copay on BC, but I'm going to give you a serious answer. A box of condoms is super cheap, and you only need them when you have sex. If you're on the pill, you have to take it daily, it can be very expensive if you can't take a generic version, and it also requires repeat doctors visits, lab work and other medical monitoring in many situations, especially if you're taking it to treat a health condition vs. as birth control.
I know how the pill works. And, yes, I was being facetious.
That said, condoms prevent not only pregnancy, but also STD's. Though, yes, the pill is used to treat medical conditions and not only to prevent pregnancy and it requires a doctor's involvement to get so it's a bit different.
Regardless, I'm against government telling insurance companies what they have to cover no matter what it is. A lot of people having been saying "why should Viagra be covered?" Well, to the best of my knowledge, it's not required to be covered. That's the difference.
Personally I think everyone should be able to choose an insurance policy that covers what they want it to. That's why I'm against employer-provided health insurance. In addition, most people have no understanding of how much health insurance that their employer pays for really costs (it amounts to over $1,000 per month usually). If they knew, they would force the costs to come down. Insurance would actually work like a free market allowing more competition. Right now most people see little option but to take their employer-provided insurance.
You don't get it. Lots of R's aren't thrilled with Obama, but they don't absolutely hate everything about him like some do--they don't think he's satan's representative on earth. you know as well as I do that lots of people aren't too happy with our choices on the R side either. It's coming down to issues, and holding your nose to vote for the lesser of two evils. As the R's spend less time talking about the economy and more about this, the far right end of the party is pushing people away. How is it propoganda when these crazy bills are popping up all over the country--they're EVERYWHERE. Are you denying that the religious right end of the party is pulling this crap? The democrats are doing their best to focus attention on it--you're right about that--but that doesn't mean it's not happening. The fastest way to get off this topic and on to other issues is for the religious right to knock it off, because this is an issue that DOES rile people up. The far right end of the party used immigration last time to fire up the base, and they thought they'd do the same with reproductive issues this time. It's blowing up in their faces, because even many conservative women don't support what they're proposing.
Some conservative men don't support everything they're proposing either.
That said, the Democrats are using this issue too.
Conservative women here... and in no way dutiful. I just happen to agree with the men here, that forcing insurance is ridiculous. And, I do agree that mandating certain requirements is wrong (such as the sonograms). I've always said that in no way should a man in a 3-piece business suit have any jurisdiction over what a woman does with her own body. And I think you'll find a lot of us conservatives feel that way... Do what you want with your own body.... just don't ask us to pay for it anymore... I don't want to take your rights away, but don't go shoving what you believe to be fact down my throat either. You can't have it both ways. You want Obama care.. your welcome to it.. but don't complain when it doesn't fit the mold you think it should and you have to have tests you don't want.
NO federal money is used to pay for abortions, if that's what you're getting at (it's not real clear from your language). These stupid ultrasound laws have nothing to do with Obamacare.
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Originally Posted by rikoshaprl
First, I don't consider birth control as a preventative health measure. Pregnancy is not a disease or illness. And it can easily be prevented without birth control pills. Birth control pills if anything add to the risk of several health problems.
Second, The preventive services to try to find cancer do not save money. In many cases they increase treatments that may be unnecessary, as in the case of Prostate cancer.
Third, there is no such thing as free. Obamacare takes $500 Billion from seniors on medicare and it still will be more expensive than our current system.
Fourth. I don't want the government mandating anything to me.
The pill has been around for 50+ years, in many versions, and has not really been found to cause a lot of problems. Everyone has an anecdote, yet the pill is remarkably safe.
Your comments about cancer are ill-informed. Pap tests have greatly reduced the incidence of cervical cancer. The prostate screening issue is still under development. Nothing is perfect.
The Medicare Advantage programs that money is being taken away from have not been cost-effective.
If you don't want the govt. mandating anything to you, you'd best move to Somalia, ASAP!
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Originally Posted by OICU812
...and don't we have laws where if a man is charged with the murder of an unborn child, if he murders a pregnant woman, or harms her in some way that causes the unborn child to die?
Answer - yes we do. So how is what you highlighted in bold, worthy of scorn
A box of condoms is super cheap, and you only need them when you have sex. If you're on the pill, you have to take it daily, it can be very expensive if you can't take a generic version, and it also requires repeat doctors visits, lab work and other medical monitoring in many situations, especially if you're taking it to treat a health condition vs. as birth control.
Rubbers can prevent sexually transmitted diseases.
You don't get it. Lots of moderate R's and independents aren't thrilled with Obama, but they don't absolutely hate everything about him like some do--they don't think he's satan's representative on earth. you know as well as I do that lots of people aren't too happy with our choices on the R side either. It's coming down to issues, and holding your nose to vote for the lesser of two evils. As the R's spend less time talking about the economy and more about this, the far right end of the party is pushing people away. How is it propoganda when these crazy bills are popping up all over the country--they're EVERYWHERE. Are you denying that the religious right end of the party is pulling this crap? The democrats are doing their best to focus attention on it--you're right about that--but that doesn't mean it's not happening. The fastest way to get off this topic and on to other issues is for the religious right to knock it off, because this is an issue that DOES rile people up. The far right end of the party used immigration last time to fire up the base, and they thought they'd do the same with reproductive issues this time. It's blowing up in their faces, because even many conservative women don't support what they're proposing.
Well, I understand what you're saying, but this country can't afford 4 more years of Obama. Independents I would think -- should be able to see how damaging his ideology is to America.
Rubbers can prevent sexually transmitted diseases.
The pill can't.
Condoms aren't a drug that requires a prescription. Like I said, I'm not gung ho on the no copay part, but mandating coverage on plans is nothing new--there are already over 2000 medical conditions with mandated coverage by all insurers. My main reason for supporting mandated coverage for the pill is because so many health issues ARE treated by using the pill, and they probably would be routinely covered if they weren't specific to women. That's what makes the whole discussion more grey than black and white--the pill is both a medication to treat fairly common diseases (fibroids, PCOS, etc.), and a form of birth control.
Most women prefer their own "personal responsibility" via the pill!
Considering all the unwanted pregnancies and pregnancies to unwed women -- it seems to me that large numbers of women aren't using contraceptives anyway. Even though you can get a condom anywhere.
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