U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Covid-19 Information Page
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
 
Old 03-10-2012, 06:53 AM
 
2,930 posts, read 1,998,026 times
Reputation: 1023

Advertisements

Just the tip of the iceberg. Medicare reimbursements have been flat for years while medical costs have risen each year. It is not just the doctors who are flat out refusing Medicare patients, one must also factor in the ones who LIMIT the number of Medicare patients they see, or are willing to accept.

One has to wonder what this means for Obamacare. Doesn't look really good for America....
TMA officials dismissed CMS' argument about opting-out doctors being a fraction of the total. They noted that 34 percent of Texas doctors either limit Medicare patients or don't accept any new ones and that a 2011 survey found 50 percent of Texas doctors were considering dropping out in the face of a then-scheduled 29.5 percent cut.
More Texas doctors opting out of Medicare - Houston Chronicle

Looks like "pay to play" concierge medicine is becoming more prevalent.
Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-10-2012, 10:36 AM
 
31,372 posts, read 33,274,930 times
Reputation: 14916
Quote:
Originally Posted by sol11 View Post
Just the tip of the iceberg.
Actually it is only the tip of a hyperactive imagination. There is nothing similar between the Affordable Health Care Act and Medicare. Medicare is essential a single payer program like the once proposed public option. Unlike the Medicare the AHCA is based upon private insurers.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2012, 03:22 PM
 
9,849 posts, read 7,345,561 times
Reputation: 3287
All the liability and none of the payment. Of course they should want to drop them.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2012, 03:23 PM
 
9,849 posts, read 7,345,561 times
Reputation: 3287
Quote:
Originally Posted by ovcatto View Post
Actually it is only the tip of a hyperactive imagination. There is nothing similar between the Affordable Health Care Act and Medicare. Medicare is essential a single payer program like the once proposed public option. Unlike the Medicare the AHCA is based upon private insurers.
If nothing else, the fact Obama stole Half A Trillion from medicade to help fund his disaster does mean they have some things in common.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2012, 03:34 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
11,431 posts, read 17,048,032 times
Reputation: 5224
Quote:
Originally Posted by RCCCB View Post
If nothing else, the fact Obama stole Half A Trillion from medicade to help fund his disaster does mean they have some things in common.
Not too credible when you misspell "medicaid". Are you sure that you're not referring to Medicare? The $500B amount is often bandied about as the amount siphoned off over a 10-year period. This was to make up for Bush era overcompensation to those private insurers. Paid to kiss Bush's butt, obviously. However, the healthcare reform is now showering these companies with bonu$ incentives when they meet or exceed certain metrics (the 5 star system). All of these companies are now on the bandwagon to achieve the bonuses. Pigs at the trough again.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2012, 05:23 PM
Status: "Summer's here!" (set 7 days ago)
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
89,898 posts, read 107,203,111 times
Reputation: 35545
Quote:
Originally Posted by sol11 View Post
Just the tip of the iceberg. Medicare reimbursements have been flat for years while medical costs have risen each year. It is not just the doctors who are flat out refusing Medicare patients, one must also factor in the ones who LIMIT the number of Medicare patients they see, or are willing to accept.

One has to wonder what this means for Obamacare. Doesn't look really good for America....
TMA officials dismissed CMS' argument about opting-out doctors being a fraction of the total. They noted that 34 percent of Texas doctors either limit Medicare patients or don't accept any new ones and that a 2011 survey found 50 percent of Texas doctors were considering dropping out in the face of a then-scheduled 29.5 percent cut.
More Texas doctors opting out of Medicare - Houston Chronicle

Looks like "pay to play" concierge medicine is becoming more prevalent.
So we're 2 1/2 months into 2011; have any of these docs started dropping out yet? I don't put much stock into anything that someone says they are going to do. I like to see results. The cut didn't happen, either.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2012, 06:57 PM
 
9,849 posts, read 7,345,561 times
Reputation: 3287
Quote:
Originally Posted by wehotex View Post
Not too credible when you misspell "medicaid". Are you sure that you're not referring to Medicare? The $500B amount is often bandied about as the amount siphoned off over a 10-year period. This was to make up for Bush era overcompensation to those private insurers. Paid to kiss Bush's butt, obviously. However, the healthcare reform is now showering these companies with bonu$ incentives when they meet or exceed certain metrics (the 5 star system). All of these companies are now on the bandwagon to achieve the bonuses. Pigs at the trough again.
I'm on the fly while watching my three year old today. I can misspell at anytime while keeping an eye on my little guy.

I think you can make the case of overcompensation of doctors in the 80s and early 90s when they paid closer to a full bill to the DOCTOR, not so much to insurance unless they compensated insurance for the doctor.

Would always have been better if it was limited some 30 years ago, but now the payments are so low no doctor makes anything and ends up opening himself to lawsuits by even seeing such people.

Since the 80s there was the introduction of the HMO where a business employing other people got between the people and the doctor.
The way they did it was to sell lower insurance to the buyer and they furnished doctors that in the past washed out as those that would work for the HMO. Got so tough that eventually the HMOs got the regular docs with them as well.
So now everything costs more because we put more middle men between the doctor and their patient. More insanity...
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2012, 06:59 PM
 
9,849 posts, read 7,345,561 times
Reputation: 3287
Quote:
Originally Posted by Katiana View Post
So we're 2 1/2 months into 2011; have any of these docs started dropping out yet? I don't put much stock into anything that someone says they are going to do. I like to see results. The cut didn't happen, either.
Yes they have. In fact one of my doctor buddies refuse to take them now because they cost him money to see them.
It is like having the doctor using his assets to distribute welfare.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2012, 07:10 PM
 
2,930 posts, read 1,998,026 times
Reputation: 1023
Quote:
Originally Posted by Katiana View Post
So we're 2 1/2 months into 2011; have any of these docs started dropping out yet? I don't put much stock into anything that someone says they are going to do. I like to see results. The cut didn't happen, either.
This is 2 /1 months into 2012, and had you bothered to read the link you would see that facts that doctors HAVE ALREADY DROPPED MEDICARE PATIENTS. The "cut" was kicked down the road a few months, so the "cut" is still a probability.

A little reading might make you better informed.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2012, 07:17 PM
 
48,509 posts, read 86,968,502 times
Reputation: 18119
this is nothig new really as doctors have been stoppig to take medicare patients. If they don't fix the remebusre and it indeed drops to 30% avwerage private insurance as the medicare trustees reprot then it will only get wrose. One has to remmebr that abotu half the new insurer under the new heathcare law will be forced into medicare and especially medicaid.Its estimate that 15 million will be placed on medicaid roles and states take over the increase for their portition in 2017.
Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


 
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:
Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2020, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top