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View Poll Results: Constitutional amendment to require Voter ID and testing
Do not require government photo ID or testing 6 21.43%
Require voters to produce government photo ID only 11 39.29%
Require government photo ID and passage of simple test 11 39.29%
Voters: 28. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-23-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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Well, THESE blacks disagree that voter ID laws are discriminatory. They think voters should prove who they are and getting an ID is not a problem.

Are Voter I.D. Laws Racist? | MRCTV

In fact, the guy at the end sums up very well the only reason NOT to have voter ID laws.
Read the posters comment again. Where in that video did it say ANYTHING about blacks agreeing that testing should be required for voting?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:16 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Government issued photo ID absolutely should be required less we have 4 million citizens of other countries select our next President.

We also need a simple test to keep simpletons and morons from selecting the next President as well. The test need not be hard; the prospective voter needs to answer three of four questions correctly similar to:

1. Name two of three branches of government.

2. On this world globe, with boundaries but no names, point to The United States.

3. Name the current Vice President.

4. Is America a republic or a democracy?

Would this be unfair and if you think so, why?

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."

Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them.

This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out.
Which candidate do you think highly educated people went for in the last election? McCain or Obama?

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College Graduate (28%)
Obama: 50%
McCain: 48%
Other: 2%


Postgraduate (17%)
Obama: 58%
McCain: 40%
Other: 2%
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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I'm all for it but it would never pass.

The men who put together the Constitution were all learned, well-educated men. They were well aware that in order for the kind of government they envisioned to endure, those with the power of the vote should also be well-educated. At that time illiteracy was common and education a hit-or-miss proposition, especially for women. This is why the vote was restricted to male, land owners--they were the only ones likely to have enough education to vote responsibly. For this, they have been much maligned in recent decades--described as racist, elitist misogynists. We need only look at the masses of poorly educated, barely literate voters today who come out once every four years to vote for whoever promises them the most to realize that the Founding Fathers were men of wisdom.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:19 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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OP, I cannot find a link to this Czech paper, or a source for this quote, other than chain letters and forums. Do you have the source?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:43 PM
 
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This is 2012, not 1962.

This isn't about absurdly difficult questions about constitutional minutiae that even a professor might not know selectively given to minorities through grandfather clauses purposely to weed out voters. This is about a basic knowledge survey given to everyone equally.

So again, why would you assume that minorities would disproportionately do poorly on the test?

And, as a separate issue, why does someone who is so out of touch that they do not know who the vice president is deserve to vote, regardless of their race?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:49 PM
 
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The simply solution to the voting problem is this.

Only allow people who have paid tax to vote.

If you are not paying tax, then you are not contributing. That meant, if you are not contributing, then you must be taken and will only vote take more.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Can't vote in the poll.
America is a christian country, so it's only reasonable that only christians should be allowed to vote.
The non-christian scum just vote for bad people (who are influenced by satan) and that makes it bad for America.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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The simply solution to the voting problem is this.

Only allow people who have paid tax to vote.

If you are not paying tax, then you are not contributing. That meant, if you are not contributing, then you must be taken and will only vote take more.

The only time you aren't paying some kind of tax is when you're dead. I'm all for keeping dead people from voting.
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:08 PM
 
Location: NC
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This is 2012, not 1962.

This isn't about absurdly difficult questions about constitutional minutiae that even a professor might not know selectively given to minorities through grandfather clauses purposely to weed out voters. This is about a basic knowledge survey given to everyone equally.

So again, why would you assume that minorities would disproportionately do poorly on the test?

And, as a separate issue, why does someone who is so out of touch that they do not know who the vice president is deserve to vote, regardless of their race?
To answer your question lets look at another poster's questions.

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Originally Posted by nicet4 View Post

1. Name two of three branches of government.

2. On this world globe, with boundaries but no names, point to The United States.

3. Name the current Vice President.

4. Is America a republic or a democracy?

Would this be unfair and if you think so, why?
On question four as a crafty poll worker I could very easily use that to weed out people. Other then to say "both" You can make an argument that either one could be correct. Since America both has a Republican form of government and is a Liberal Democracy. So concievibly I could use any choice to stop people from voting on the techinicality that there answer was not the most complete answer, or I could say to someone Yes we are a Democracy/Republic go ahead and vote.

Basically that is why I do not trust voting tests. There will always be some minutia that can be exploited and someone will find and use it to disadvantage some group of people and historically in the south that has been used against black people. Additionally, poll workers tend to "help" people they want to vote, but strictly enforce the test on others.

Case in point...

"In 1954, in response to increasing literacy among blacks, the test, which originally asked applicants to "read or interpret" a section of the state constitution, was changed to ask applicants to "read and interpret" that document. [41] This allowed white registrars to decide whether or not a person passed the test. Most blacks, even those with doctoral degrees, "failed." In contrast, most whites passed, no matter what their education level. In George County, one white applicant's interpretation of the section "There shall be no imprisonment for debt" was "I thank that a Neorger should have 2 years in collage before voting because he don't under stand.""

http://www.watson.org/~lisa/blackhis.../missippi.html

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Old 03-23-2012, 11:11 PM
 
Location: NC
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The simply solution to the voting problem is this.

Only allow people who have paid tax to vote.

If you are not paying tax, then you are not contributing. That meant, if you are not contributing, then you must be taken and will only vote take more.
Now that would be straight up unconstitutional. Ever heard of the 24th amendment?
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