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That isn't wholly true. Now, I'm sure you have insurance, so this is a bit of a hypothetical.
Lets say you didn't. You could say "I don't want to spend any money on insurance", which is fine, it used to be your choice. But then if you get sick, you could say you are going to not go to the hospital, but you'd be wrong. In reality, lets say you get stage 4 bone cancer, very painful. No one is going to sit here and tell me that they aren't going to the hospital in that much pain, you'd be lying.
So EVERYONE uses the healthcare system, sooner or later. And if you decide not to buy insurance, and simply go to the ER, then everyone has to pay for it, you don't. That isn't fair. So, because Reagan mandated that you get care, the affordable healthcare act is a way of making sure that everyone is paying something.
I'd rather prefer a single payer system for that, but Republicans wouldn't stand for it, so.....
already happens. look at all the illegals that get free health care in our nations hospitals.
President Obama, as usual, holds the superior position here. This won't stop the Righties on the Supreme Court for voting against it for political reasons. What a shameful Court we have now simply because of the additions made by the worst President ever - Republican Dubya.
Yeah, you buy one of those stripped down policies. Then when you're sick and need to use it, you'll find out just how much good all that money you paid in will help you, NOT!
Katiana, not all lower premium policies are stripped down: some of them merely allowed one to pay out of pocket for their own routine, recurring medical expenses. The gutting of the only proven cost-reducer in real world practice, high deductible health care, is the single biggest travesty of Obamacare. I'm sure our fathers and grandfathers didn't fight and die on foreign shores so that one day, a politician could OUTLAW the right of a citizen to pay cash out of pocket for mundane expenses.
I for one have no interest in paying an insurance company $1.25 per $1.00 of routine expenses, inevitable, foreseeable, bound to happen expenses. And now it is mandated. What's next? Insurance to pay for the cost of lunch?
President Obama, as usual, holds the superior position here. This won't stop the Righties on the Supreme Court for voting against it for political reasons. What a shameful Court we have now simply because of the additions made by the worst President ever - Republican Dubya.
Thanks for posting this. I found this part especially interesting:
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Two of the country’s most conservative judges, Jeffrey Sutton of the Sixth Circuit and Laurence Silberman of the DC Circuit, were unable to find a valid argument against the law and voted to uphold it. Harvard law professor Charles Fried, Ronald Reagan’s solicitor general, has also said the law is plainly constitutional. It’s always dangerous to predict Supreme Court rulings on controversial cases, but if the Court applies its precedents faithfully, it should be a victory for the administration.
And that is the big question - will the Roberts Court follow precedents?
President Obama, as usual, holds the superior position here.
The fact that you support Obama and like Obamacare it doesn't make it superior.
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The federal government is a government of limited powers,...
And the framers of the Constitution could have placed medical care under federal control, but chose not do so. That means only States have any say.
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... and although Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce, the challengers concede, if it can force people to “enter into commerce†in order to regulate them, then its powers are in effect unlimited. The reason Congress has never imposed such a mandate, they maintain, is that the power does not properly exist
"Health insurance" (snicker) is not Interstate Commerce. Congress has no authority over the matter.
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Although the challengers focus their attack on the individual mandate, that provision cannot be separated from the act’s prohibiting insurance companies from denying coverage or charging higher rates based on “pre-existing†medical conditions.
Actually it can. The court can strike it, or better yet scrap the entire thing.
And don't forget, this is only one of several challenges to Obamacare.
Laughing at the superior intellect...
Mircea
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Originally Posted by monkeywrenching
I look at it this way, as soon as congress made it so I as a citizen could not buy any medical insurance outside of the state in which i reside, it stopped being an issue for the feds to control and left to the states to control.
the feds have no authority to regulate what type of insurance that I have or want to buy from any state. but since they did get involved and made it so I could not buy medical insurance out of state, it stopped being their concern at all as it is no longer an issue of interstate commerce.
that is why obamas health care law is unconstitutional.
no interstate commerce involved.
Very good.
Impressed...
Mircea
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That isn't fair. So, because Reagan mandated that you get care....
No, Reagan mandated that you be stabilized and nothing more.
Only hospitals that participate in Medicare are subject to the law.
It only applies to Emergency Treatment (HINT: that is why it is called the EMERGENCY MEDICAL TREATMENT AND ACTIVE LABOR ACT).
If someone goes to the EMERGENCY ROOM they cannot be turned away simply because they do not have Medicare or "health insurance" (snicker).
An emergency medical condition must exist. If so, then they have to either stabilize that condition to the extent of their ability or transfer the patient to another hospital with the appropriate capabilities.
If a receiving hospital has specialized facilities they are required to accept transfers of patients in need of such specialized services if they have the capacity to treat them, however treatment is not a cure.
........ Everyone buys food, so does that mean that the government can mandate what kind of food, or how much of it you must buy? .....
Why not. If the Gov't is going to give us free health care it's only fair and reasonable that they monitor and control any unhealthy behaviors by the recipients of such a benefit.
There are too many smokers, alchoholics, drug users and fat people in this country.
President Obama, as usual, holds the superior position here. This won't stop the Righties on the Supreme Court for voting against it for political reasons. What a shameful Court we have now simply because of the additions made by the worst President ever - Republican Dubya.
I'll take the word of the United States Supreme Court justices, they didn't get their law degrees from a crack jack box or online "college" like some liberal idiots around here.
Why not. If the Gov't is going to give us free health care it's only fair and reasonable that they monitor and control any unhealthy behaviors by the recipients of such a benefit.
There are too many smokers, alchoholics, drug users and fat people in this country.
And there are too many @SSE$ .. posting in forums that think that anything (Including Health-care) is free!
Those same @SSE$ also tend to believe that THE GOVERNMENT .. "GIVES" or "PAYS" for Anything!
I'm curious, what superglue did you use to keep your lips planted to his butt?
Edit: Just wanted to add that the article doesn't prove anything, so if you were planning on reading it, folks- don't bother.
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