Cardinal Dolan's letter to Bishops about lecture from Obama administration (drugs, healthcare)
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I do believe all this mess is Obama and his administration trying to shut down all insurance except insurance you can get from the government. Socialist medicine like other countries have.
He won't let people select what insurance they want either. I would like Walmart or another company/companies to take over insurance and let us select what coverage we want and what we do not want. That keeps our premiums down.
Insurance should be like any other free market goods we buy. Open to competition that keeps prices down.
Actually I can almost accept that the employer is one and the same as a chucrch, that the employer can disallow certain medications if there are "moral" objections. The issue I have is that if you allow one employer to disallow diagnosis or treatment of any medical condition on moral grounds, you are stuck doing the same for any employer down the road who sees fit to use the same argument. To me this isn't about coverage for birth control, it's about mixing religion and medicine.
Let's take it a step further. Chik fil a is a business enterprise strongly infused with Christianity. Maybe you'd be ok with that employer disallowing any form of brrth control.
How about an employer strongly infused with the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses. OK for them to disallow blood transfusions in their health coverage on moral grounds?
Or maybe a company whose CEO is a Scientologist. Care to have your spouse suffer from depression if your employer disallows any medical treatment for depression?
You'd have to be ok with ALL of that and possibly more if you let this slip through IMO.
Most employers won't go that far or they would not have any employees. Their bottom line is the most important thing. If no one works for them because they have insurance that won't cover what they need, they will go out of business. Don't take this problem to absurd ends, it won't fly. That won't happen.
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It would if we could drill here and other countries knew we had our own oil so they can't lord it over is.
You stated: Insurance should be like any other free market goods we buy. Open to competition that keeps prices down. It's obviously not working with oil, WHY should we expect it would work with insurance?
The president has a bully pulpit----remember that saying? It's true. Presidents in the past have used it. Why can't this president do the same thing. Obama wants high gas prices since he is banking on green energy that won't be up for at least 20 years from now.
ROB I don't see that anyone is trying to force Catholics to pay for BC. More correctly, the government, which has a duty to protect the interests of all citizens anot not selectively based on their religion, is trying to prevent Catholic employers from preventing insurance companies from covering a prescription medication which is normally covered. That difference may be subtle to some but it is key.
Asserting that anyone is trying to take away the right of Catholics to their faith is IMO unsupported by any evidence.
For the record I do not support the idea that coverage of medical procedures or medications should be based on religion because I find it to be a slippery slope. If we allow the Catholics to do it, Scientologists will be next. How about the Westboro Baptist Church? How about I start my own religion where "your body is your temple" and anyone who does not eat healthy food, not smoke etc will not have diabetes, hypertension or cholesterol medication covered?
Go ahead and read what I supplied to read if you can't stand to read the whole letter that Dolan wrote to his bishops. You may find something there about what the White House told the people he sent to talk with them after Obama agreed to back off on his mandate. You may even learn that there is plenty of reason for them to be unhappy with our Glorious Leader. However, you have to read beyond the title of the thread to learn any of these things.
It's not too easy being atheist in the US.
GHWBush said we shouldn't be citizens; his son, pretty much the same.
People wouldn't vote for an atheist.
Maybe someday there will be enough atheists to get their people nominated but until then our government is ready to guarantee their freedom from religion although they don't seem to be wanting to guarantee freedom of religion to Christians.
EXACTLY! Will we be opening the door for insurance companies to deny pre-natal care and other medical services to unwed mothers based on their particular church not approving of pre-marital sex? It's not only mixing religion and medicine, it's mixing religion and business and I don't see the insurance companies gicving up the chance to weasel out of any payments they're able to avoid regardless of the reason.
When did the topic of this thread become anything at all to do with health insurance? You people changed it when I wasn't looking.
I started this thread out to discuss the way the White House has explained to Catholics that they don't know what their religion is and how they are trying to run it different than he thinks they should.
Is there a chance that nearly everybody on this thread since the beginning has ignored the letter from Dolan to his bishops that explains so much about what the government told those people.
Actually very few in the past several hours have even tried to discuss the thread topic. That doesn't include just you but many from both sides.
Most employers won't go that far or they would not have any employees. Their bottom line is the most important thing. If no one works for them because they have insurance that won't cover what they need, they will go out of business. Don't take this problem to absurd ends, it won't fly. That won't happen.
You have allowed those non-reading lefties to drag you away from the topic of this thread. There was nothing in Cardinal Dolan's letter to the bishops about insurance, at all. What he tried to tell them was that the administration had told them that they are funning their church outside their tenets. He thinks that they have no business running it and has even offered to appoint some people to help them run it.
I am not chewing you, at all since you got in so long after I posted my OP. I am just telling you that many of those deleted posts in the thread are being deleted because they are so off topic and people like me were also off topic for discussing what the lefties wanted done.
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