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Old 03-11-2012, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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While the union apparatus fights tooth and nail to protect their members from NOT paying their "fair share", the citizens and businesses of Stockton, CA are dying on the vine.

Stockton residents watch their port city slip away - latimes.com

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As cash-strapped municipalities up and down the state demand concessions from employees, the police union in the nearly bankrupt port city is fighting hard to keep the fiscal crisis from breaking its contract.

Using a new California law, the City Council is trying to slow or stop the bust by entering mediation with creditors, including public employee unions.

"The problem is the sweetheart deals they gave the employee unions.
The only way to get out of the corrupt, lavish, sweetheart union contracts is to file bankruptcy.

Look NO FURTHER than California to see liberal policies absolute DESTROY a once thriving, rich, bountiful state.

While people lose their homes, businesses and lives, the union apparatus does all it can to continue screwing the taxpayer for all their worth.
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Things aren't looking up for California and the unions are just one part of the problem.

California's Demographic Revolution by Heather Mac Donald, City Journal Winter 2012
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If you make a deal with someone, a contract, in which you promise to do certain things and the other party promises certain things in return, how will you feel when, after you've fulfilled your end of the bargain, the other party backs out and refuses to meet their obligations to you?

Let's say you're a contractor who agrees to build a client a new porch. You purchase the materials and do the work just as you promised. Then, when you present the homeowner with the bill, he says, "Sorry. I can't pay you. I don't have the money."

That's exactly what's happening in Stockton and places like Wisconsin.
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:08 PM
 
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Well stillkit the argument during good economic times is they can afford it and local and state governments shouldn't be so stingy hence the reason for lavish benefits they were able to get.

The simple fact is this, local and state governments are being crushed under these obligations in particular the pension benefits that were handed out in the early part of the last decade. If nothing is done to quote Governor Christie "in ten years you're not going to have a pension at all".
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:14 PM
 
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Don't worry....since unions are involved, there will soon be a bailout....you know, for "the children".
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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While the union apparatus fights tooth and nail to protect their members from NOT paying their "fair share", the citizens and businesses of Stockton, CA are dying on the vine.

Stockton residents watch their port city slip away - latimes.com



The only way to get out of the corrupt, lavish, sweetheart union contracts is to file bankruptcy.

Look NO FURTHER than California to see liberal policies absolute DESTROY a once thriving, rich, bountiful state.

While people lose their homes, businesses and lives, the union apparatus does all it can to continue screwing the taxpayer for all their worth.
I would say that any states or city having that probelm needs to look at their voting pattern of politicans who grant the wgaes and benefits. Often if one looks further as mentioned its not just the public employees really.
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Stillkit, by your example, what happens when the person you built the porch for files bankruptcy? Do you get paid?
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:28 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If you make a deal with someone, a contract, in which you promise to do certain things and the other party promises certain things in return, how will you feel when, after you've fulfilled your end of the bargain, the other party backs out and refuses to meet their obligations to you?

Let's say you're a contractor who agrees to build a client a new porch. You purchase the materials and do the work just as you promised. Then, when you present the homeowner with the bill, he says, "Sorry. I can't pay you. I don't have the money."

That's exactly what's happening in Stockton and places like Wisconsin.


First off, you the homeowner paid for the materials + a 10% deposit on labor, just to get on my schedule. Balance due at time of completion.

Oh, you don't want to pay, I'll place a lien on your property, and force the sale to pay me.
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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If you make a deal with someone, a contract, in which you promise to do certain things and the other party promises certain things in return, how will you feel when, after you've fulfilled your end of the bargain, the other party backs out and refuses to meet their obligations to you?

The DEAL is corrupt from the very beginning. You have union negotiators sitting down to make "deals" with democrat officials who then depend on those same unions to funnel millions of dollars into their political coffers.

Let's say you're a contractor who agrees to build a client a new porch. You purchase the materials and do the work just as you promised. Then, when you present the homeowner with the bill, he says, "Sorry. I can't pay you. I don't have the money."

That's exactly what's happening in Stockton and places like Wisconsin.
No, you have taxpayers on the hook for these lavish contracts agreed to by both corrupt parties, scratching each other's backs.
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Old 03-11-2012, 10:22 PM
 
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While the union apparatus fights tooth and nail to protect their members from NOT paying their "fair share", the citizens and businesses of Stockton, CA are dying on the vine.

Stockton residents watch their port city slip away - latimes.com



The only way to get out of the corrupt, lavish, sweetheart union contracts is to file bankruptcy.

Look NO FURTHER than California to see liberal policies absolute DESTROY a once thriving, rich, bountiful state.

While people lose their homes, businesses and lives, the union apparatus does all it can to continue screwing the taxpayer for all their worth.
There were multiple missteps that led to the decline of Stockton. "Sweetheart union contracts" were mentioned in only, one small paragraph of the article

Thread title is misleading. Why am I not surprised...
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